| mircea_popescu: | well he was kinda on the outs. | [02:44] |
| diana_coman: | morning | [03:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | hhhola. | [03:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | your bot stopped! after making3 items! for no reason! while i slept! | [03:09] |
| diana_coman: | ouch, how's that? | [03:10] |
| diana_coman: | what did it say? | [03:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | charges foxy's account 100k coppers in fines levies and taxes. | [03:10] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [03:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | it just thought the craft is ongoing and hung forever. | [03:10] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, weird | [03:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | i discovered earlier that /bot craft 20 M works, but /bot craft 20 m does not | [03:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i tried /bot craft 0 m and it did work | [03:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i think the 0 delay fucked up its internals | [03:10] |
| diana_coman: | but that is not the delay | [03:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | itis not ? says so in the doc ? | [03:11] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, you are missing there the number of things you want to craft | [03:11] |
| diana_coman: | there are two numbers: 1 is how many things you want to craft and the other is the delay | [03:12] |
| diana_coman: | the delay may be missing but the bot takes parameters in order so if you give him "M" for delay | [03:12] |
| diana_coman: | which I think you did | [03:12] |
| diana_coman: | more specifically m | [03:12] |
| diana_coman: | it used its own default since from its point of view m/M was mising | [03:12] |
| diana_coman: | missing | [03:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | o sorry. | [03:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i tried /bot craft 20 0 m and it did work | [03:13] |
| diana_coman: | well yes, why wouldn't it? | [03:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | but /bot craft 20 M does work. or does it default to M ? | [03:13] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [03:13] |
| diana_coman: | it defaults to M | [03:13] |
| diana_coman: | so at /bot craft 20 M it tried to get its delay from "M" and so it probably used the default delay | [03:14] |
| diana_coman: | as to hanging - I guess it can happen if none of the skill messages gets through, but there really isn't at the moment any sane way of avoiding it at the same time as avoiding interrupting the craft | [03:15] |
| diana_coman: | the only reasonable way to do all of it is to check for the item in the container | [03:15] |
| diana_coman: | but that's such a mess | [03:15] |
| diana_coman: | that is what I tried initially to do | [03:15] |
| diana_coman: | in the interest of a release, I threw it all away for now, lol | [03:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok but would doing/bot craft 20 0 ruin its internal scheduler maybe ? | [03:17] |
| diana_coman: | in other news I got 500 grass bare-handed while I slept (should have gotten more but for some reason I had the inventory a bit too full it seems | [03:17] |
| diana_coman: | that can be since you are basically asking it to check every...0 seconds | [03:17] |
| diana_coman: | let me have a look | [03:18] |
| diana_coman: | yes, that's the *only* place where I don't second guess the user - if they say 0, it's 0 | [03:18] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [03:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha okay. | [03:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's fine, really, just, gotta figure out how to use the tool correctly. | [03:19] |
| diana_coman: | that's the "pleasure" of command line arguments :p | [03:19] |
| diana_coman: | still messes them up occasionally due to playing around with different versions of the bot | [03:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | :p | [03:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. i don't have sticks yet, but will in a few hours. | [03:22] |
| diana_coman: | cool, I also got 2 grass ordinaries | [03:22] |
| diana_coman: | in that same run | [03:22] |
| diana_coman: | I start liking grass, lol | [03:22] |
| diana_coman: | what are your terms for making some high q threads from my grass (167q)? | [03:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill pay 1.85 for your grass an' sellthreads at 450 ea | [03:24] |
| diana_coman: | guess I'll split it then, ok | [03:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | split ? | [03:26] |
| diana_coman: | I'll dig up a whole lot more, split the pile in 2 to get some high q threads, but will just make the rest of threads myself | [03:27] |
| diana_coman: | unless anybody comes up wanting to build the claims for me and get some lower q grass | [03:28] |
| diana_coman: | which would make much more sense | [03:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i canbuild them for you so you get high q grass | [03:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | which then you'll enjoy threadingyourself. | [03:29] |
| diana_coman: | I kind of still have some electron-grass + about a ton of recipes | [03:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | aok | [03:31] |
| diana_coman: | chetty I am stuck again, but /unstick says it can't be used at this time... | [03:32] |
| diana_coman: | stuck with the "you cannot explore bla bla" | [03:32] |
| diana_coman: | it's kind of weird in the sense that yes, there has been some overflow but weirdly enough it worked after that no problem, it was only now after a re-login that it figured out it should get stuck or something | [03:33] |
| diana_coman: | chetty__ ^ | [03:33] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, maybe it said it can't be used but it still worked, lol | [03:33] |
| diana_coman: | remembers never to trust what the software says | [03:34] |
| chetty__: | so did it unstick you? | [03:42] |
| diana_coman: | it seems it did | [03:46] |
| chetty__: | cool, sorry about the message but I cant add a new command without changing the client so its an extra bit now | [03:48] |
| diana_coman: | no worries, it's cool it worked :) | [03:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand took another 3 hour break, because decided that if trainer is not in range it can't find the container anymore so it can stop | [06:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | worked for 25 minutes, waited for 150 minutes, usage efficiency 15\%!11 | [06:03] |
| diana_coman: | uhm | [06:05] |
| diana_coman: | I can't see why it wouldn't find the container | [06:05] |
| diana_coman: | it would stop if it doesn't find the container, true (what else can it do really?) | [06:06] |
| diana_coman: | but I have no idea why it wouldn't find the container in the first place | [06:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. but i mean it just put things iin it | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | so it put things in the container, that's the first part when trying to train | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | then it tried to train and failed because trainer was not in range | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | and then it didn't find the container anymore? | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, let me check - the only thing I can think of is maybe to add another try on targeting the container | [06:08] |
| diana_coman: | though I can't see why would it fail to find it the first time | [06:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | how's the container targeted, some id ? | [06:08] |
| diana_coman: | by name really, since you can't know the id upfront | [06:08] |
| diana_coman: | it looks around itself for whatever container is needed | [06:09] |
| diana_coman: | but it found it the first time I gather | [06:09] |
| diana_coman: | so why would it fail to find it the second time around? | [06:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | must have since it moved my stuff into it. | [06:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | well how would i know that! | [06:09] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [06:09] |
| diana_coman: | so it actually tries to re-target | [06:09] |
| diana_coman: | nothing to add there | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | but that must have failed | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [06:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think trying to talk to the merchant is a target too | [06:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it's reasonable to tryt and retarget | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | yes, that was my reasoning and the reason why the retarget is in place | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | I just don't get why /how would it fail at all uhm | [06:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | me either as it doesn't seem to fail otherwise. | [06:11] |
| diana_coman: | (fwiw I had it successfully do this thing moving stuff to container, train, move stuff back) | [06:11] |
| diana_coman: | I guess the only thing is the trainer not in range but why would that mess things up, mhm | [06:11] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I'll try to test it with trainer not in range | [06:12] |
| diana_coman: | when I get to train again which is not easy atm lol | [06:12] |
| diana_coman: | it left the items in the container, right? (to make sure it's not afterwards at the new attempt where it failed to find the container) | [06:14] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, maybe it would need an additional open mhm | [06:15] |
| diana_coman: | that's be about the only thing I can think of, will have to test thi | [06:15] |
| diana_coman: | tthis | [06:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | it left them in yes | [06:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman your bot gave me an excellent opportunity to crack skulls in b-a | [06:21] |
| diana_coman: | ahahah, how is that? | [06:21] |
| diana_coman: | ah, I'm reading now | [06:22] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, mircea_popescu has it stopped again? | [06:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme look | [06:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | god damned | [06:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it has, this time for no reason whatsoever | [06:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | and for the record, /bot craft 20 250 m results in a bunch of "not done yet testing" spam | [06:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | shouldn't it wait 250 seconds ? | [06:32] |
| diana_coman: | no | [06:33] |
| diana_coman: | it's milliseconds, lol | [06:33] |
| diana_coman: | what does it say? | [06:33] |
| diana_coman: | there is no stopping for no reason, lol | [06:34] |
| diana_coman: | so if you want 250 seconds, that'd be 250000 | [06:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | "waiting for craft", craft ling gone | [06:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha ok ima do that next. | [06:34] |
| diana_coman: | so it keeps thinking the craft is not done but it actually even took the final item out?? | [06:34] |
| diana_coman: | what are you doing there !! | [06:34] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [06:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | i took the final item out. | [06:35] |
| diana_coman: | uhm so then I don't get it | [06:35] |
| diana_coman: | I kept looking and the toolkit was empty | [06:35] |
| diana_coman: | that's why I pinged you here to have a look | [06:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | is it empty now ? | [06:35] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [06:35] |
| diana_coman: | btw | [06:36] |
| diana_coman: | do a reset first | [06:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i did. | [06:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | also i think you might not be shown what's in my box when im crafting and right there ? | [06:38] |
| diana_coman: | it used to show it | [06:38] |
| diana_coman: | only if it changed | [06:38] |
| diana_coman: | I have just started it on a run of threads | [06:40] |
| diana_coman: | so far it's working fine for me, not sure what is going on there for you | [06:40] |
| diana_coman: | what did it say/do this time? | [06:40] |
| chetty__: | you know I am actually enjoying reading this exchange, srry diana_coman | [06:41] |
| diana_coman: | lol chetty__ I totally get that | [06:41] |
| diana_coman: | no worries | [06:41] |
| diana_coman: | other than the weird issue when it failed to find the container though, I don't see so far a concrete problem though | [06:43] |
| diana_coman: | I started my run away from the trainer, so maybe I'll get to see what happens with that | [06:44] |
| chetty__: | well the trying to get needed details was what made me laugh | [06:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | it was wortking alright diana_coman | [06:45] |
| diana_coman: | ok, let me know how it goes | [06:45] |
| diana_coman: | chetty__ is it changed now that one can't see what others are crafting? | [06:45] |
| diana_coman: | while they are there etc? | [06:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana you got high q pss/ae ? | [06:47] |
| chetty__: | nothing on purpose, I did reduce the number specific 'update item views' a little | [06:47] |
| diana_coman: | I must have some around 165q mircea_popescu | [07:15] |
| diana_coman: | probably more ae than pss since I did not really need ae that much | [07:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill tell you why you think my toolbox is empty diana_coman | [07:17] |
| diana_coman: | btw, are you still selling those kits to make samovars? | [07:17] |
| diana_coman: | why is that? | [07:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | it doesn't show you the stack counts - never did. and i think i misspelled the name of chetty sticks, so the image doesn't display either | [07:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's a pregnant darkness | [07:17] |
| diana_coman: | not the stack counts, that's fine, but the bundle itself | [07:18] |
| diana_coman: | oh, that might be | [07:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | those kits to make samovars are incumbent upon danielpbarron delivering my 500odd io. i gave him the bottles, but it's a huge order and he did say a coupla days | [07:18] |
| diana_coman: | I didn't try to right click, lol | [07:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i expect them today/tomorrow maybe | [07:18] |
| diana_coman: | oh, he might not have enough wm /moss | [07:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | then you know where to apply yourself :) | [07:19] |
| diana_coman: | well, I need thread first, lol | [07:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought it was mostly bits. | [07:20] |
| diana_coman: | well, I can do that, but then I throw away all smalls | [07:21] |
| diana_coman: | it's fine for grass, but not such a bright idea for moss really | [07:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [07:23] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, I'm making now some 500 odd threads that will last me about...1hr lol | [07:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | throwing away smalls is horrible for xm anyway | [07:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | and of course now the problem that faces me is the twin headed monster of how to split and how to price this bunch of chetty sticks. | [07:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | whoever said resource allocation is a solved problem deserves a kick in the nads. | [07:25] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> those kits to make samovars are incumbent upon danielpbarron delivering my 500odd io. << i need the shrooms and moss from diana_coman | [07:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron you basically want all the sticks you can get your hands on or what's your position ? | [07:25] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah | [07:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you idem, iirc ? | [07:26] |
| diana_coman: | yes, lol | [07:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | mk here's what i'll do in desperation : you each pm me the most you're willing to pay per stick, and ima split the stack proportionally. if one says 2 and the other 3 coppers each, you get 40\% and 60\% respectively. | [07:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | and no collusion! | [07:29] |
| chetty__: | hahahahaha, no price fixin allowed | [07:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [07:30] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu I have about 300+ pss ~ 162q; 173 ae 146q and another 64ae at 165q | [08:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill take the 160+ stuff. | [08:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | you never pm'd me! | [08:06] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I just got back from lunch, let me see | [08:06] |
| diana_coman: | wow, such huge desperation for cs? | [08:06] |
| diana_coman: | mhm | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok so 35k diana 27k daniel (check it out daniel got defeated for once!) comes to 62, so diana gets 56\% and daniel 44\%. ima be having ~60 or so, will be in game once i finish this article and settle it. | [08:11] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, I think daniel got some huge stack some time ago | [08:11] |
| diana_coman: | now this is a bit weird chetty: the unstick cmd works, but then it seems I get stuck again *every* time I log back in | [08:18] |
| chetty__: | I was maybe looking in the wrong place, perhaps getting stuck is more related to login procedure ...hmmm | [08:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman 26 sticks waiting at your leisure. danielpbarron 20 for you, lemme know here when you wanna pick up. | [09:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | also diana_coman done with the adzes ? | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | I think I'm done, will get back and put them all together | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | I'll take the sticks too if you are in game | [09:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | o lovely. say when ill hop in | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | awww, turns out there is still a pile of adzes to worn-out, lol; will get to it anyway | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | so sorry, not yet ready with that | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | can I still get the sticks now? | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu ^ | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | brt | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | oh wow, was there some spring cleaning of old useless locked claims? | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | lovely | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | ekl | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | kl | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | they dio+e eventukl | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | kl | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | y'1KLl | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | damned kbd | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | well they die eventually! | [10:41] |
| diana_coman: | that's not bad as long as it's not poor remarkables and the like :p | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | those also, just, takes longer. | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | ouch | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | since it takes waaaay waaaay longer to actually be able to build them atm lol | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, eulora life is hard but unfair. | [10:48] |
| diana_coman: | lolz @ unfair | [10:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | lobbes hmm, bot lagged out ? | [10:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | and also, you ever managed to get the game going ? i need some noob crafting if you're willing. | [10:57] |
| diana_coman: | ahahah, I'm the Evil Empire all by myself :))) | [11:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | >D | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | you're all a bunch of sociopaths. | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | I object to being a bunch! | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [11:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [11:05] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> diana_coman 26 sticks waiting at your leisure. danielpbarron 20 for you, lemme know here when you << i'm here for a few minutes | [11:15] |
| danielpbarron: | afk | [11:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | well it's gotta be morre than 3 minutes lol. | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | say sometime, not a big rush. | [11:23] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, back for ~15 | [12:43] |
| lobbes: | <mircea_popescu> lobbes hmm, bot lagged out ? << really odd, the waitperiod is only set to 1 minute for it to check feeds | [13:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman confirmed for training | [14:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | and also... mcguyver 200 nao! | [14:08] |
| diana_coman: | did it train fine? | [14:08] |
| diana_coman: | congrats! | [14:08] |
| diana_coman: | or confirmed as in problem confirmed, lol | [14:08] |
| chetty__: | hahaha just love the clear speech | [14:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [14:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | confirmed as in it works yes | [14:09] |
| diana_coman: | good :) | [14:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's really anifty little helper. | [14:09] |
| diana_coman: | meanwhile its exploring part gathered for me about 120 moss, 4 wm and 4 dcs | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | nb. barehanded ? | [14:12] |
| diana_coman: | quite a long way to go to 1500 moss danielpbarron said he needed but I guess I'll leave it in the night or something | [14:12] |
| diana_coman: | no, this was with the adzes | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | still. | [14:12] |
| diana_coman: | 2 adzes | [14:12] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, not bad | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, were they mine ? like 18k a pop ? | [14:12] |
| diana_coman: | no, mine older like 15k | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | i made myself a two dozen imp hoes now, gonna let it gather for a while. | [14:13] |
| diana_coman: | aha, quite curious how that goes | [14:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman what does it do if it gets overweight ? | [14:13] |
| diana_coman: | those are basic btw | [14:13] |
| diana_coman: | well, what can it do? | [14:13] |
| diana_coman: | it stops... | [14:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | it could lock the load in a claim and move on. | [14:13] |
| diana_coman: | well, it would need to move stuff first | [14:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, in the claim that made it overweight. | [14:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | it could also run off to storage and come back. that'd be actually pretty great. | [14:14] |
| diana_coman: | I kind of hated the idea of having to go afterwards around and get things from claims but I guess in the end I'll have to add that | [14:14] |
| diana_coman: | ahahhahah | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | :) | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | what! | [14:14] |
| diana_coman: | running to storage etc is a mess (like most movement esp to a fixed point kind of style) | [14:14] |
| diana_coman: | I had something done but it's not very reliable | [14:15] |
| diana_coman: | hence it did not make it to the release | [14:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yeah. | [14:15] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, have fun then | [14:15] |
| diana_coman: | I'll be afk for a while | [14:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | the thing is i dun wanna dig for rares for some odd reason. and the only basics i can then reliably get are grass and sr i guess. which neither i really need. | [14:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course... i COULD make it dig up wm... what do i care i don't find jack... hm... | [14:17] |
| diana_coman: | why not flotsam? | [14:17] |
| diana_coman: | or rotten fruit? | [14:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | heavy as hell | [14:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | rf i have | [14:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | in fact i need like 1k moss to digest the rf i have. | [14:17] |
| diana_coman: | so moss then | [14:17] |
| diana_coman: | it's easier to find than wm anyways | [14:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah why pay you 25\% to find me moss | [14:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | when i could lose 40\% finding my own! | [14:17] |
| chetty__: | even I can find moss | [14:17] |
| diana_coman: | ahahahha | [14:17] |
| diana_coman: | well...then grass, lol | [14:18] |
| diana_coman: | dunno, tubers? | [14:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | but srsly, i expect i won't do too bad, because lower q than you | [14:18] |
| diana_coman: | yes, it's all right really | [14:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wait, that doesn't help for moss. thathelps for basics, where i have high q | [14:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe i should do wm | [14:18] |
| diana_coman: | well, you have lower q on moss and on wm | [14:18] |
| diana_coman: | lower than me I mean | [14:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya | [14:19] |
| diana_coman: | it might help more on moss as it is lower base value | [14:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much lower btw ? i wonder ? | [14:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | lower as in 150something or as in 110something | [14:19] |
| diana_coman: | dunno, I am above 200 in building | [14:19] |
| diana_coman: | I would suspect somewhere between that or closer to 150 | [14:19] |
| diana_coman: | but I don't know where you are with building | [14:20] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, bbl | [14:20] |
| lobbesbot: | News from eulora: Whoever said resource allocation is a solved problem deserves a kick in the nads. <http://trilema.com/2015/whoever-said-resource-allocation-is-a-solved-problem-deserves-a-kick-in-the-nads/> | [14:54] |
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