#eulora Logs for 16 Aug 2015



August 16th, 2015 by Diana Coman
chetty: morning [02:30]
diana_coman: server down [04:27]
diana_coman: I think it was me this time, sorry chetty [04:27]
diana_coman: I wanted to stop a craft and apparently it is not possible to do that anymore now (or at least not without crashing) [04:27]
diana_coman: it wasn't the bot, in any case, so it wasn't a matter of timing [04:28]
chetty: ok, back up, I'll look at the log [04:33]
diana_coman: thanks [04:34]
chetty: it has the same output as bad timing, but if you want to stop a craft best bet would be to move [04:35]
diana_coman: oh, that's a nice idea, didn't think of it [04:35]
diana_coman: will move next time then [04:36]
chetty: I think this is the first crash sine I threatened people yesterday :) [04:37]
diana_coman: ha ha, the chetty stick approach works then :D [04:40]
diana_coman: I've picked up and then dropped the toolkit so that hopefully it doesn't get sweeped away [05:04]
chetty: I dont think toolkits get swept, bit I would have to look up the stats on it to be sure [05:07]
chetty: and if you are standing next to it using it, its guarded and certainly doesnt getswept [05:08]
diana_coman: yeah, it wasn't mine, that's the thing [05:17]
diana_coman: I think it's mp's [05:17]
diana_coman: but since he got thrown out when the server crashed [05:17]
diana_coman: I picked it up and put it down to reset and give him a bit more time [05:18]
diana_coman: but well, I went away mining grass now [05:18]
diana_coman: I remember I lost 1 toolkit some time ago at a crash [05:18]
diana_coman: oh well [05:19]
jurov: hanbot still there? [05:48]
chetty: someone had stuck bot again? [06:05]
jurov: is offline [06:07]
chetty: server reset in 5 [08:15]
chetty: done [08:25]
jurov: chetty you use a fixed message for "server reset in 5"? [08:39]
jurov: so that bots can use that to wrap up [08:39]
chetty: well I try, but I do have the occasional typo when I do that [09:17]
chetty: I can use an autoated thing but then it would be on auto and I couldnt 'hold off a min so I [09:18]
jurov: ofc you can't always use it.. just asked if the message is consistent when you do [09:20]
chetty: yes, assuming I dont make a typo [09:26]
jurov: :) [09:28]
jurov: i have stuff saved in some craft tables that are in my inventory [12:25]
jurov: i dropped one table and clicked "take and stack all" [12:26]
jurov: it went very slowly (up to 10 sec/ item) [12:26]
jurov: and then crashed [12:26]
jurov: server [12:26]
mircea_popescu: nuts. [12:32]
chetty: up [12:33]
chetty: the crash came from dpb crafting, nothing to do with your craft-tables jurov [12:36]
jurov: still i saw at least once the craftbot going haywire over multiple crafting tables [12:37]
chetty: cool, we do survive bots doing bad stuff, sometimes [12:38]
chetty: server going down in 5 [12:45]
mircea_popescu: so I've been trying to do a 30 hour craft. for the past 20 hours it progressed to about 15\% complete. i'm well sick of the situation, i've had it with the crashes, server's going down and will stay down for a while, until chetty figures a structural way to fix all this. [12:46]
mircea_popescu: which will hopefully be something like a week. [12:46]
mircea_popescu: since can't have her running around with patches and also refactoring code, the server will stay down for the interval. [12:47]
mircea_popescu: the sunday event is moved to next sunday. [12:47]
mircea_popescu: tentatively, at least. [12:47]
jurov: so.. it will be down for maybe a week? [12:53]
mircea_popescu: it's going to be down for as long as it takes but in a week i'll re-evaluate the situation. [12:56]
jurov: hi diana_coman, check the logs :( [15:00]
diana_coman: yeah, I just did [15:01]
diana_coman: thanks jurov [15:01]
diana_coman: one week of break is not necessarily a bad thing anyway, esp if it means a more stable server afterwards; after going through the client code I can rather fully understand the need for taking the server down and focusing on making it structurally sound rather than trying to patch it [15:22]
diana_coman: it would be great though if there were perhaps some test server available for testing bots, but it can wait [15:22]
jurov: i have no idea in what kind of "structural way" can be mad c++ codebase fixed in a week [15:27]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman that's precisely what can't be had. because they will crash it. [15:32]
diana_coman: well, it's a *minimum* of 1 week from what I gather, isn't it? [15:32]
mircea_popescu: notrly. [15:33]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu thought so, sigh [15:33]
diana_coman: uhm, thought it was meant for 1 week down and then re-assessment? [15:34]
diana_coman: or not? [15:34]
mircea_popescu: it's a week soft. what's so hard to grok about that rly ? [15:35]
mircea_popescu: the specified interval exists strictly so you can not ask for a specified interval. it can not be on the other hand used against me in any manner - not as too long, nor as too short. [15:35]
mircea_popescu: ie, soft term. [15:36]
diana_coman: ie no term, ok [15:38]
mircea_popescu: nah, it's a week :D [15:39]
jurov: i understood it as there may be some more info in a week [15:39]
mircea_popescu: anyway, you can't refactor code while at the same time running around trying to patch it at random intervals multiple times a day [15:46]
mircea_popescu: sometimes multiple times an hour. [15:46]
diana_coman: well jurov, let me put it this way: from my point of view it is minimum 1 week, since I'm not going to plan now around a non-term that might be whatever [15:46]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu yes, of course [15:47]
mircea_popescu: how long it takes is notably also something you can't evaluate while at the same time running around trying to patch it at random intervals multiple times a day [15:47]
jurov: well, no other way if there is one and only one developer [15:48]
mircea_popescu: it'll have to fit in someone's head anyway. [15:49]
mircea_popescu: "one developer" thing's a complete orthogonal concern. [15:49]
danielpbarron: can finally catch up on logs and get that other machine working [16:06]

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