| danielpbarron: | chetty, mircea_popescu server down | [00:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | gah | [00:48] |
| diana_coman: | morning | [02:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | (01:24:16) >Mircea has managed 0.06 BTC worth of crafting! Congratulations! | [02:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | :D | [02:40] |
| diana_coman: | congrats indeed | [02:43] |
| diana_coman: | good news for you mircea_popescu: you'll get all ordinaries since daniel wants to pay 5k each, lol | [02:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i can do 10k ea. | [02:44] |
| diana_coman: | never really saw an ordinary give less than 100 and that would be what, 50 base value? | [02:44] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [02:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much were you looking for ? | [02:44] |
| diana_coman: | tbh I liked the mechanism based on half of qual diff | [02:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | how'd this work for claims ? | [02:45] |
| diana_coman: | but in any case, 10k sounds much more reasonable | [02:45] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, you even commented on it yest? the discussion between me and daniel? | [02:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | link or quote ? | [02:46] |
| diana_coman: | yes, searching, 1 min | [02:46] |
| diana_coman: | this was one option: danielpbarron how about this, you bring me ordinary basic harvestable claim and i'll mine it for you and you keep the results (in container + loot) and pay me half of the difference in what the quality would have been | [02:47] |
| diana_coman: | (are ther links to individual lines in the eulora logs?) | [02:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, to the right | [02:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman so you want to pay me half the difference ? this seems outrageous but sure, i'll take it. | [02:48] |
| diana_coman: | in any case, 10k sounds right at least for some (flotsam for instance) | [02:48] |
| diana_coman: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-12.log.html#t05:20:55 | [02:48] |
| lobbesbot: | #Eulora log for Wednesday, 2015-08-12 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [02:48] |
| diana_coman: | oh, the time | [02:48] |
| diana_coman: | lol how is that outrageous but you'll take it? | [02:49] |
| diana_coman: | I guess it should prolly be basic value + half the diff? | [02:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | you mine what, 160s ? and i mine 320s ? so if i find 100k flotsam you pay me .80 * 100k flotsam base ? | [02:49] |
| diana_coman: | I haven't thought it through since daniel was basically determined to wait for data rather than buy | [02:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | otherwise, you can either sell the claims for 10k, or trade a claim for my mining anotehr one, like we did last time, or pay me 10k to mine one. whichsoever you prefer. | [02:53] |
| diana_coman: | atm that surely sounds the most doable and direct way | [02:53] |
| diana_coman: | I'm fine with it | [02:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | which of the 3 lol. | [02:54] |
| diana_coman: | you can either sell the claims for 10k, or trade a claim for my mining anotehr one, like we did last time, | [02:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha k. | [02:54] |
| diana_coman: | those two options, since I'll use one or the other depending on the type of claim | [02:54] |
| diana_coman: | or what I need | [02:54] |
| diana_coman: | I have the list or what ordinaries I have up on the shop page, let me know if there is something you want: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/foxystore.html | [02:55] |
| lobbesbot: | Foxy's Useful Items (at www.dianacoman.com) | [02:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | the grass was unminable iirc | [02:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's sr take ? | [02:55] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, don't know; will get into game a bit in about 0.5hr I guess | [02:56] |
| diana_coman: | I'll prolly add the things or something | [02:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | and im off for teh night. hopefully i manage to get some (more) crafting done | [02:57] |
| diana_coman: | oh, no worries then, will do it later/tomorrow | [02:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | but this originally dubious venture is easily the best thing i did in game yet. +4 qual points, about halfway done, and not even in the red anymore. | [02:57] |
| diana_coman: | well done | [02:59] |
| diana_coman: | wow, I grew like 4 levels of gathering while sleeping (bot) | [03:20] |
| diana_coman: | clearly worth making it to auto-train | [03:20] |
| Birdman: | 17 sb short of another ppb | [06:43] |
| Birdman: | need to buy lots of coarse thread too | [06:43] |
| chetty: | what qual thread you looking for? | [06:47] |
| Birdman: | high as possible | [06:47] |
| chetty: | well I may get on and do some thread making after I finish this patch, but wont be very high q | [06:48] |
| chetty: | server reset in 5 | [07:03] |
| Birdman: | thanks, and because im a low level i dont want to waste over craft with low q | [07:04] |
| chetty: | reset done | [07:10] |
| Birdman: | I have someone tech savvy enough and willing to recompile the tinker bot for windows, where should i send him? | [07:50] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, I guess the wiki is the best starting point and otherwise the code for the bot is here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/07/27/foxys-crafting-bot/ | [07:54] |
| diana_coman: | and on github | [07:54] |
| Birdman: | ty | [07:56] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu: are 48 very low q cruddy hoes, a ~4.5k q chetty stick, 10 ppb worth a certain amount of chetty sticks to you? If you are interested in low quality polished stones, i have a decent amount too | [08:41] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, I'll buy that chetty stick | [08:43] |
| diana_coman: | you in game? | [08:43] |
| Birdman: | yes | [08:45] |
| diana_coman: | ok, will come to town in 1 min | [08:45] |
| Birdman: | but im really in need of usable chetty sticks | [08:45] |
| diana_coman: | so buy them from mp when he gets to make them? | [08:45] |
| Birdman: | well he showed interst in the stick already | [08:46] |
| diana_coman: | oh, all right | [08:46] |
| Birdman: | so it might be better to just give it to him | [08:46] |
| diana_coman: | as you wish | [08:46] |
| Birdman: | how did you enum mining go? | [08:47] |
| diana_coman: | ok, but I left it on leather enums only for a bit in the evening as it didn't really make a lot of sense for the whole night | [08:50] |
| diana_coman: | I'll check the things out and will let you know | [08:50] |
| Birdman: | ty | [08:52] |
| Birdman: | are you doing consitent mining right now diana_coman | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [08:57] |
| diana_coman: | why? | [08:58] |
| Birdman: | i think when we finish a gather around the same time it cancels one out | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | that was daniel's theory at least re missing messages for an explore action | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | what do you mean by"cancels one out"? | [08:58] |
| Birdman: | it'll say you start to explore, but wont say anything past that | [08:59] |
| Birdman: | and i dont think it gives exp or degrades tool | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | ok, so it's what I thought you meant, see above | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | it's a tricky thing to catch, but at least some times it seems to give exp | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | (I can see the skill messages) | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | it'll prolly take a full logger on all messages so that I can give chetty a bit more info to track this thing | [09:07] |
| Birdman: | i cant test that but it doesnt degrade tools when it happens | [09:08] |
| diana_coman: | prolly when it doesn't degrade the tool, it doesn't give exp either | [09:08] |
| Birdman: | what i was thinkin | [09:08] |
| chetty: | well at least something works there then, tool decay and exp should go together :) | [09:09] |
| chetty: | this is a very hard one to track :/ | [09:09] |
| diana_coman: | the bad news from a bit of basic data is that essentially the rare items seem to either have the base value hugely undervaluing them or otherwise currently making sense to mine only bare handed (hence a trickle) | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | or possibly with a stick, not sure | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | but when using tools, the cost of 1 bbb for instance would be 1600 | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | (base value is 197, value for my q at the merchant is 303) | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | similarly, the dung beetle costs 9500 to mine | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | (the above does not even add the cost of thread, which is not really negligeable ) | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | the thing is that on one hand I prefer to mine with tools for the exp, but I am not going to keep mining rare things at such a loss | [09:18] |
| chetty: | I think the random chances on rares are a bit off really | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | (the merchant pays 1675 for my beetles) | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I *never* got anything other than small or rares | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | despite 2 nights of mining, lol | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | the only times I got anything better than small on a rare thing | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | was at the beginning with the stick | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | and I think that atm I have the highest skill at gathering really | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | so that seems to me quite extreme | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | but in any case: I've burnt some millions this way, will not just burn more | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | 2 nights + 2 days now, I should add, lol | [09:23] |
| Birdman: | you guys thought the store value was anywhere near right? | [09:25] |
| diana_coman: | near what, Birdman? | [09:25] |
| Birdman: | its so obviously way undervaluing things | [09:25] |
| Birdman: | near correct | [09:25] |
| diana_coman: | lol, what does it mean "correct"? | [09:25] |
| Birdman: | i wouldnt sell it anything | [09:25] |
| diana_coman: | there is a big gap between cost and value of things | [09:25] |
| Birdman: | correct like not ripping you off | [09:25] |
| diana_coman: | and a big difference too | [09:25] |
| diana_coman: | I was not talking about selling things to the merchant, lol | [09:26] |
| diana_coman: | the thing is that 25\% or even 40\% on top of that is one thing, but 300\% on top of it is another matter | [09:26] |
| diana_coman: | atm mining rares is simply not at all cost-efficient, there is nothing about "correctness" in here | [09:27] |
| Birdman: | i thought the base value was what the npc would pay | [09:27] |
| chetty: | merchant is only there to help keep things flowing, pretty sure he will go away eventually | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | (I kind of started wishing for that really, lol) | [09:27] |
| chetty: | then must be getting close to time to dig a grave for that one | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | the base value is calculated from what the merchant would pay, true, mainly because it is the only reference there is at all | [09:28] |
| Birdman: | right and i always thought that was way less than it should be | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | mining rares at the moment is cost-efficient only when done bare-handed (or possibly with sticks though not sure on that) | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | that's all | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | based on what, Birdman? | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | what is this "it should be"? | [09:29] |
| Birdman: | well, it relects in my buying things for insane prices compared to what i would sell them to the store for | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | as a reference value is fine, it's a reference value and nothing more | [09:30] |
| Birdman: | i know there's a big difference in my q to what i'd buy | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | well, the store is not for buying things from you, is it? | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | so that is not a surprise | [09:30] |
| Birdman: | no, but thats where base value comes in | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, base value is not directly what the store pays anyway | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | since that considers quality already | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | but anyway | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | I don't think there is much point in whether the base value is low or high - it is a base value, hence a reference, hence fine where it is, whatever that might be | [09:32] |
| diana_coman: | I am just figuring out where the market is with reference to this base value | [09:32] |
| diana_coman: | and where my production costs are idem | [09:32] |
| diana_coman: | there are really only 2 options: either I get my costs low enough for me to make sense to mine those | [09:33] |
| chetty: | diana do you include exp in your findings about mining rares? | [09:33] |
| diana_coman: | or the market gets high enough for me to make sense to mine those | [09:33] |
| diana_coman: | no, the above are very crude numbers taking into account only tool cost really | [09:33] |
| diana_coman: | but the thing is | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | building exp on small and tiny | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | doesn't seem to be a way off on rare | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | to compensate in any way | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | so one is better off building small and tiny of basic items | [09:34] |
| chetty: | maybe the tools are too expensive | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | since I find those at every try | [09:34] |
| diana_coman: | what, a cruddy hoe? | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | maybe | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | sure, tools are too expensive in the sense that only bare-handed makes sense, as I was saying earlier | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | indeed | [09:35] |
| chetty: | just considering all the variables ... | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | in this sense tools are too expensive | [09:35] |
| diana_coman: | I know, there are other things to consider, but I can't possibly see atm how they would really change the conclusion so far | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | it might even be that 2 days and 2 nights are not enough to say, true | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | since whatever, 1 ordinary compensates | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | maybe, though I highly doubt it | [09:36] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, I'm just sharing a bit of data that I got | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | all comments and suggestions welcome | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | (started a run on moss, as this one at least used to go better - quite curious how this will go) | [09:51] |
| diana_coman: | and updated shop reflecting the above: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/foxystore.html | [10:04] |
| lobbesbot: | Foxy's Useful Items (at www.dianacoman.com) | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | it's almost turning into Foxy's Rare and A-Pain-To-Find Items | [10:05] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> never really saw an ordinary give less than 100 and that would be what, 50 base value? << ok but that comes from the ingredients.. which you don't have to provide | [10:06] |
| diana_coman: | if tldr: I'll sell the rare stuff by auction or at the minimum cost-efficient price otherwise | [10:06] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> but in any case, 10k sounds much more reasonable << ok i'll buy the lot of your ordinaries for 10k each | [10:06] |
| diana_coman: | ok danielpbarron, will have to auction then I guess | [10:06] |
| diana_coman: | will leave it for Sunday after the event (if the event is not after midnight GMT) or Monday | [10:07] |
| diana_coman: | I should have more data by then too | [10:07] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm also buying your "rare" ordinaries | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | won't sell those | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | doesn't make any sense | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | not sure why you want to buy them in any case | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | what quality do you get for rare items? | [10:22] |
| danielpbarron: | can you mine them? | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | yes, at least some | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | others require two-leaf clovers | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | and I'll wait for that | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | either to buy the clovers or to find them | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | I'm not in a hurry with that | [10:23] |
| danielpbarron: | do you have more of those nuts? | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but atm I am not willing to part with them | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | since I don't have a lot | [10:26] |
| danielpbarron: | do you have 4? | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | I might part with them only for something I really need (such as sortage skill even if I have to pay the diff in copper) | [10:27] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I have 4 | [10:27] |
| Birdman: | i gotta find deez nuts if they're that valuable | [10:27] |
| danielpbarron: | sortage was free | [10:28] |
| danielpbarron: | if you're gonna auction off ordinaries you should also include your spicy moss and leather and whatever else you think is "rare" | [10:29] |
| diana_coman: | why? | [10:29] |
| diana_coman: | I don't see why | [10:29] |
| danielpbarron: | because i will buy | [10:30] |
| diana_coman: | lol, what a reason | [10:30] |
| diana_coman: | I'll think about it though | [10:30] |
| danielpbarron: | i would call those "uncommon" | [10:30] |
| danielpbarron: | to borrow a magic the gathering term | [10:30] |
| diana_coman: | longer than rare, lol | [10:31] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, please find them, lol | [10:31] |
| danielpbarron: | rare would be an ordinary shroom or beetle claim | [10:31] |
| diana_coman: | and lotus harlots and two leaf clovers and molluscs if you are at it anyway | [10:31] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron your reasoning is odd, lol | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | do you get higher quality on moss? | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | no | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | hence, it's in the rare category as item | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | sure, there are rare and then uncommon | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | if you really want | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | slithy tove being nearly unheard of so far | [10:32] |
| Birdman: | whats your gather level ? | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | if you want to go | [10:32] |
| danielpbarron: | sortage effects basic harvestables | [10:32] |
| danielpbarron: | regardless of how hard they are to find | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | ok, then: not-basic | [10:33] |
| danielpbarron: | in that, i would get high quality crumbly rock | [10:33] |
| diana_coman: | better with that? | [10:33] |
| diana_coman: | rare was used for non-basic | [10:33] |
| diana_coman: | not for "have we found it yet?" | [10:33] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, that info is classified atm | [10:33] |
| Birdman: | drats | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | following ample example here | [10:34] |
| Birdman: | was worth a shot right | [10:34] |
| danielpbarron: | the gathering prize is claimed right? | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | I guess you can infer it from the quality I get, if you are up to that | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | I don't know, is it? | [10:34] |
| danielpbarron: | well there's a chetty stick | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | so ? | [10:34] |
| danielpbarron: | isn't that it? | [10:34] |
| Birdman: | not up onj the wiki | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | no, lol | [10:34] |
| danielpbarron: | oh really? | [10:35] |
| danielpbarron: | so tinkering is the only claimed one? | [10:35] |
| Birdman: | i was under that impression yes | [10:35] |
| diana_coman: | I think the prize is a book for the skill | [10:35] |
| diana_coman: | the stick is not a book, is it? | [10:35] |
| diana_coman: | so yes, tinkering only, as I was over 200 in that only at the time | [10:35] |
| danielpbarron: | heh i'm over 300 tinkering now | [10:35] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman the wiki is updated mainly by me and so I didn't even try to put everything there, though I did put quite some effort into it | [10:36] |
| diana_coman: | (and meanwhile lost most incentives for that too) | [10:36] |
| diana_coman: | lol danielpbarron what's that to do with it? sure, some month and a ton of resources later | [10:36] |
| diana_coman: | mp is over 400, so what of it? | [10:36] |
| Birdman: | i need coppers danielpbarron | [10:37] |
| Birdman: | come buy some stuff off me | [10:37] |
| Birdman: | few ordinary claims | [10:37] |
| Birdman: | tpb and wpl | [10:37] |
| diana_coman: | what do you sell those for, Birdman? | [10:38] |
| diana_coman: | I might actually buy those | [10:39] |
| Birdman: | 40kea | [10:39] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, will you pay that ? ^ | [10:41] |
| Birdman: | i was even thinking maybe more | [10:41] |
| Birdman: | for the tpb because it doesnt need clovers | [10:41] |
| Birdman: | spent about 500k on those cruddy hoes alone | [10:42] |
| Birdman: | but to be realistic the only claims ive ever found were yesterday | [10:43] |
| Birdman: | must have just gotten high enough level | [10:43] |
| diana_coman: | I know the costs Birdman, lol | [10:43] |
| diana_coman: | I am finding those though | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | I would buy more, but not at that price: if daniel wants to pay that, I'm fine | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | otherwise I'll make you an offer with what I am willing to pay | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | that's all | [10:44] |
| Birdman: | you can say now | [10:45] |
| Birdman: | if you want | [10:45] |
| diana_coman: | what quality are your enums? | [10:45] |
| Birdman: | 3 242 q wpl 1 292q tpb | [10:46] |
| diana_coman: | is that tpt really? | [10:46] |
| diana_coman: | or what? | [10:46] |
| Birdman: | yes thats what i mean | [10:49] |
| Birdman: | tpt | [10:49] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, my first thought was 20k each really | [10:50] |
| diana_coman: | I might go to 25k | [10:50] |
| Birdman: | will hold onto them for that price | [10:56] |
| diana_coman: | sure, no worries | [10:58] |
| Birdman: | have you decided what enums you could sell more for how much? | [10:58] |
| diana_coman: | I am finally getting to have a go at the bit of data to calculate my costs | [10:58] |
| diana_coman: | should be ready in max 15 minutes | [10:58] |
| Birdman: | nice | [10:58] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, so I got (from a very limited data set, i.e. 770 tries): 8\% small, 30\% tiny, 0.26\% ord | [11:17] |
| diana_coman: | lol, some Mad Monky left his boulders lying around | [11:20] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, my price for both tiny and small enums of wpl is 800 each | [11:29] |
| diana_coman: | the numbers are really a bit funny though | [11:29] |
| diana_coman: | might reconsider that on bigger data sets | [11:30] |
| Birdman: | pricey lol | [11:30] |
| diana_coman: | but that's what the numbers show so far | [11:30] |
| diana_coman: | I suspect that spirover's hoes atm are shit basically | [11:30] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [11:30] |
| diana_coman: | not worth the money | [11:30] |
| Birdman: | yes ive realised as well | [11:30] |
| Birdman: | take me 200k to level lol | [11:31] |
| diana_coman: | levels are different, so you might have also hit a pricey level there | [11:31] |
| diana_coman: | but in any case what I meant: they are too low quality to give you any decent output overall | [11:31] |
| diana_coman: | per wearing one out | [11:31] |
| diana_coman: | or at least to me | [11:32] |
| diana_coman: | might work better for you | [11:32] |
| Birdman: | well i mean it takes many of the hoes to get exp bow | [11:32] |
| Birdman: | now | [11:32] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, if you mean exp as in "to rank up" | [11:32] |
| diana_coman: | see above: levels are not equal | [11:32] |
| diana_coman: | it's not like "every 1000 exp points you level up" | [11:32] |
| Birdman: | i know that im saying to rank up from x level to the next takes using a lot of the hoes | [11:33] |
| Birdman: | very expensive | [11:33] |
| diana_coman: | but you know what? I am actually willing to sell you only small enums if that's what you have trouble getting | [11:33] |
| Birdman: | it is | [11:33] |
| diana_coman: | it doesn't have to be a package from my point of view | [11:33] |
| Birdman: | well not really trouble anymore on the wpls, just time consuming and very grindy | [11:34] |
| diana_coman: | so far that's the price my data shows and that's what I'll ask for them, but I am willing to sell them in any combination /amount really | [11:34] |
| diana_coman: | sure | [11:34] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, that is it, will update the store ; again; lol | [11:34] |
| diana_coman: | updated, including some other rare items (canines etc) http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/foxystore.html | [11:35] |
| lobbesbot: | Foxy's Useful Items (at www.dianacoman.com) | [11:35] |
| Birdman: | you mean enums not claims** | [11:36] |
| Birdman: | unless you have the keys still and locked them | [11:37] |
| diana_coman: | true | [11:37] |
| diana_coman: | corrected, thanks | [11:38] |
| Birdman: | how about if i give you the claims for 25k ea you sell me the smalls for 725 a piece? | [11:38] |
| Birdman: | the ordinaries i have, that is | [11:38] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, I'd give you what I have so far, but not indefinetely | [11:39] |
| diana_coman: | what I have so far means 8 full sets (24 small + 136 tiny) | [11:39] |
| Birdman: | i thought i could buy just the smalls? | [11:40] |
| diana_coman: | oh, sure | [11:40] |
| diana_coman: | so then 24 smalls only | [11:40] |
| diana_coman: | no worries there | [11:40] |
| Birdman: | is that as many as you have or as many as you're willin to get rid of? | [11:40] |
| diana_coman: | I might even throw in the tinies at 600 each I guess, as I don't really need them | [11:41] |
| diana_coman: | atm that's all I have as I built the rest basically | [11:41] |
| diana_coman: | mining atm seems to be really either for bare hands (for profit) or for better tools (for exp) | [11:42] |
| Birdman: | id give you the 4 ordinary claims | [11:42] |
| diana_coman: | the middle road is shit | [11:42] |
| Birdman: | for the set + 1k copper | [11:42] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron: ill sell you supps of leather for 15k a piece in bulk | [11:44] |
| diana_coman: | so 24 small wpl + 136 tiny wpl for 3 ord wpl + 1 ord tpt? | [11:44] |
| Birdman: | and by that i mean i think ill have around 30-40 soon | [11:44] |
| Birdman: | yes | [11:44] |
| diana_coman: | ok, as a one-off deal fine | [11:45] |
| diana_coman: | meet me in game? I'm in the village | [11:45] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [11:47] |
| Birdman: | future reference id be much more interested in tiny pss enums, because i dont need to buy or find smalls | [11:51] |
| Birdman: | i could actually see myself paying ~ 600 piece for them | [11:51] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, let me check something | [11:51] |
| diana_coman: | well, I doubt they would be under the price for those | [11:51] |
| diana_coman: | at least not until I get some better tools | [11:51] |
| Birdman: | right | [11:52] |
| diana_coman: | the base value for PSS is basically higher than for wpl (262 vs 151 resp) | [11:53] |
| diana_coman: | and you get fewer of them per tries, clearly | [11:53] |
| Birdman: | ive been doing quite well where i am now | [11:54] |
| Birdman: | much better than only a few yards over | [11:54] |
| diana_coman: | it's certainly ok, I'm not saying it's not | [11:54] |
| diana_coman: | just less frequent than wpl | [11:54] |
| Birdman: | i would agree | [11:54] |
| diana_coman: | so yeah, location | [11:54] |
| diana_coman: | so it's 406 I'd get (without any margin even) for 1 pss hence for 1 tiny | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | add to that tool decay and exp lost on building - 11 c | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | if mined bare handed, 600 is ok | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | sure | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | not sure if mined with tool | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | but for tinies of those items a tool really doesn't make sense | [11:56] |
| Birdman: | they also take 1/2 the time to make the money off of | [11:56] |
| Birdman: | since you wont be building them | [11:56] |
| diana_coman: | guess so | [11:58] |
| diana_coman: | I will have to do some runs bare handed for sure | [11:59] |
| diana_coman: | for data if not for anything else | [11:59] |
| diana_coman: | but I need to patch the bot for that | [11:59] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman> danielpbarron: ill sell you supps of leather for 15k a piece in bulk << what quality? | [11:59] |
| diana_coman: | lol, so far I'm finding tinies every try for pss bare-handed | [12:05] |
| diana_coman: | lols | [12:05] |
| Birdman: | good | [12:06] |
| diana_coman: | I'd say enums are basically best for sale when mined bare handed | [12:08] |
| Birdman: | until death has a cost | [12:09] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [12:09] |
| diana_coman: | of course | [12:09] |
| diana_coman: | and btw, I got a series of no message after explore while you were just moving, so surely not exploring | [12:10] |
| diana_coman: | so not sure it really has to do with "getting a claim at about the same time" | [12:10] |
| Birdman: | i think it does | [12:10] |
| Birdman: | i was timing it yesterday when we were both getting wpl from that rich area | [12:10] |
| Birdman: | + might be some delay time from when im doing things to when you see it? | [12:11] |
| diana_coman: | maybe | [12:12] |
| Birdman: | if anyone would like the contents of ~10-15 small pss claims id be glad to extract with cft provided or sell the claims themselves | [12:12] |
| Birdman: | crashed | [12:35] |
| diana_coman: | ouch, that's probably my bot | [12:35] |
| diana_coman: | the crafting one | [12:35] |
| danielpbarron: | crashed | [12:36] |
| chetty: | up | [12:37] |
| Birdman: | up | [12:37] |
| chetty: | diana_coman, you know you dont let that bot have time to collect loot | [12:39] |
| chetty: | maybe i should fix this by not allowing loot for bots ... | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, how is that? in any case, it's really weird as the result keeps changing (it's the released bot, unchanged) | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I need to basically redo it on the new structure | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | like the mining bot | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | to give it breaks between each action | [12:40] |
| chetty: | well I need to prevent it from crashing anyway but fighting bots is really messy | [12:42] |
| diana_coman: | anyways it actually lost one of the items it was making, so ugh, not sure whether that was at crash time or in the mess before that | [12:43] |
| diana_coman: | but atm the bot seems to be basically not really usable as it is | [12:43] |
| diana_coman: | the message system seems to be really messy indeed overall | [12:43] |
| diana_coman: | sigh | [12:43] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron: of q higher than 60 | [12:46] |
| Birdman: | i estimate ~ 75-80 | [12:46] |
| chetty: | well you got your skillpoints diana_coman | [12:50] |
| chetty: | <diana_coman> uhm, how is that? in any case, it's really weird as the result keeps changing (it's the released bot, unchanged)//yes but I have been changing the server trying to cope with it | [12:54] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I know chetty, I meant it more in the sense that I kind of stopped changing it waiting for a more stable server version | [12:56] |
| diana_coman: | since otherwise it doesn't really make a lot of sense to keep tinkering with it | [12:56] |
| chetty: | well last week or so they only crashes have been generated by bots | [12:57] |
| diana_coman: | sounds good :) | [12:58] |
| chetty: | I am at this point stuck trying to guess what the bots will do next | [12:58] |
| diana_coman: | oh, a random-action bot sounds gleeful :))) | [13:02] |
| Birdman: | i have 28 q60 sups of leather and 6 q60 sups of stone for sale | [13:02] |
| Birdman: | im thinking the entire sacrifice skill line will be pretty expensive considering all of the supplication drafts take a lot of expensive materials | [13:03] |
| diana_coman: | unsurprising really, but of course the new data is quite completely different from the one I had gathered so far, sigh | [13:32] |
| diana_coman: | found 10 bb, 4 sg, 50 wpl 1pss and 35 bn with 2 tools... | [13:32] |
| diana_coman: | chetty, can you help me with the type of message sent by the server for loot items (and esp for keys of enums in fact, not even loot necessarily)? | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | (I mean: besides the system message with plain text | [17:15] |
| chetty: | well it wont be specific for anything, it willl be an inventory update | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I was just looking precisely into that | [17:27] |
| diana_coman: | thank you! | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron im almost done with the slag, like 9k of 50k flotsam left to burn. after which i make some shaped slag and some nails after which i make a bunch of imps | [20:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | should be done by fri or so. unless you want the slag + nails package. | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | birdman : i have plenty of low q ppb for now. i pay 2k / used up basic tool. | [20:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i'll be having some sticks by sunday imp retty sure. | [20:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | <diana_coman> but when using tools, the cost of 1 bbb for instance would be 1600 << how did you compute this ? | [20:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean it's half a datapoint, what about "used 70k worth of tool decay and 10k worth of thread/bits to dig up 5 md thus therefore per md value is like 1600" | [20:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | if i go by my run so far, the value of q100 sb should be something like | [20:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | hmm | [20:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | 18 * 30k = 540k + 18 * 7 * 450 = 57k so ~600k total to find ~800 sb, so 750 copper each at ~325 q, or 230 base o.O | [20:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | irl the base is more like 60 i think | [20:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | <diana_coman> well, the store is not for buying things from you, is it? << technically the store is so that minigame buys things from you. ie, that's the guaranteed minimum you get for stuff. | [20:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh i meant pss not ppb above ;/ the polished stone. | [20:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol @diana's page she's basicaly turning into a mining claim merchant :D | [20:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> the gathering prize is claimed right? << which prize ? | [20:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> heh i'm over 300 tinkering now << i got 400, so you'll have to beat me to 600. but so far the only book claimed was for tinkering 200 yes. | [20:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | <Birdman> 3 242 q wpl 1 292q tpb << wow 200+ qual ?! impressive wtf. | [20:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | <diana_coman> not worth the money << i bought like i dunno, ~3k of em lol | [20:20] |
| danielpbarron: | what do you mean beat you to 600? is there another prize? | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | well another kind of book yes. | [22:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | every 200 levels. | [22:13] |
| danielpbarron: | crashed | [22:19] |
| danielpbarron: | oh so you already got the 400 one? | [22:19] |
| danielpbarron: | chetty, mircea_popescu ^ | [22:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [22:21] |
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