| Birdman: | Gaxaro there are numbers you can call for that, but they charge by the minute | [01:21] |
| Gaxaro: | Lol, no thanks. | [01:59] |
| Birdman: | well farming became incredibly hard to level up | [02:18] |
| Birdman: | would probably be easier if i was still only getting ords | [02:23] |
| Birdman: | but hopefully i hit a remarkable and it all evens out | [02:23] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> lol diana_coman foxy dropped offline ? <- uhm, no, where? | [02:27] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman> well farming became incredibly hard to level up <- bwahahahaha | [02:29] |
| Birdman: | its crazy, really | [02:29] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, nope, it's just what I kept saying really | [02:30] |
| Birdman: | and even with mp paying like 2x bv @q100 im just losing money getting the tlc | [02:30] |
| diana_coman: | but nm, you still have 1-2 days to get to 200 in farming | [02:30] |
| diana_coman: | no problem, right? | [02:30] |
| Birdman: | ayee no problem | [02:30] |
| diana_coman: | and re tools see my shop | [02:31] |
| Birdman: | and also i said to 100 ;) | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | ah, true, 100 | [02:31] |
| Birdman: | wouldnt be hard except these damn smalls | [02:31] |
| Birdman: | they suck through and through | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | gets tinies too | [02:31] |
| Birdman: | with cs?? | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | oh, no | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | not with cs | [02:31] |
| diana_coman: | though I did miss once on dm | [02:32] |
| Birdman: | mm i missed still on the tlc even after the small-getting change | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | btw, during the night I left it on with a pile of hoes and I got 3 ords | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | hm, never missed on tlc so far | [02:32] |
| Birdman: | 2nd hardest in groceries as far as we know right? | [02:33] |
| Birdman: | the tlc i mean | [02:34] |
| diana_coman: | not sure what you mean there | [02:35] |
| Birdman: | i guess i mean difficulty is relative to bv | [02:36] |
| Birdman: | so for those hoes you have what \% over bv is that your shop charges? | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | to some extent it would seem so | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, the price is there, if you need something else just calc it | [02:36] |
| Birdman: | well 25k a piece is definitely too much for me, but i'd buy as much as i can for 16k each | [02:38] |
| Birdman: | which i think is 160\% bv | [02:41] |
| Birdman: | thats what im willing to pay | [02:41] |
| diana_coman: | lol, that price is fixed, feel free to make your own tools or something | [02:45] |
| Birdman: | was just an offer no problem | [02:46] |
| Birdman: | though im sure when i run out of my own stuff it might look like a better offer lol | [02:46] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [02:48] |
| diana_coman: | hopefully there will be some bps soon or otherwise I might end up either not selling them anymore or asking for more | [02:49] |
| Birdman: | yeah, but they will come in due time i'm sure | [02:49] |
| Birdman: | what is the bottleneck on that anyways? still an unknown craft? | [02:49] |
| Birdman: | how does one get the bp for making bps anyways | [02:50] |
| diana_coman: | on the bps? well, bps in general seems to be known but very long/difficult to actually get to the click | [02:50] |
| diana_coman: | so loads of prerequisites or something | [02:50] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu knows exactly as he's the one with the required skills | [02:50] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu are you buying all tlc at that price, qi? | [02:54] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman how many remarks have you hit | [03:12] |
| diana_coman: | there is the list in the logs somewhere | [03:12] |
| Birdman: | is it frequent enough to predict for you? | [03:13] |
| diana_coman: | no | [03:13] |
| Birdman: | and by that i mean, you'd hit one every x amount of cs or something | [03:13] |
| Birdman: | hmm | [03:13] |
| Birdman: | would you say you've gotten less than 5 of them ? | [03:16] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, you said you had loads of toothpaste bps and you wanted 100 coppers per resulting lbn. What do you want for the toothpaste bps themselves? | [04:09] |
| Birdman: | hummm | [04:09] |
| Birdman: | ill ponder and get back to you | [04:10] |
| diana_coman: | kk | [04:10] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman how does 1100 each sound to you? | [04:12] |
| Birdman: | they are q7 mind you | [04:12] |
| diana_coman: | what q are they? | [04:12] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, so 200\% bv for q7? how about 700 each? | [04:12] |
| Birdman: | Ill do 700 each if you also sell me tools at 16k each | [04:13] |
| Birdman: | :) | [04:13] |
| diana_coman: | toothpaste doesn't go into hoes, lol | [04:13] |
| diana_coman: | tell you what then | [04:13] |
| Birdman: | i agree | [04:13] |
| diana_coman: | you can have tools at bv for toothpaste bps at corresponding bv | [04:13] |
| diana_coman: | so if you get 10k bv in tools, you give me 10k bv in toothpaste bps | [04:14] |
| Birdman: | what is their bv? | [04:14] |
| diana_coman: | check the cookbook | [04:14] |
| Birdman: | Ah, i always just go to eulorum | [04:14] |
| diana_coman: | the hoes I think are exactly bv | [04:14] |
| Birdman: | well the bp is 935 so we assume 9.35k? | [04:14] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, how is the bp 935? | [04:15] |
| diana_coman: | oh, for tools | [04:15] |
| diana_coman: | yes, 9352 base value for tools, yes | [04:15] |
| Birdman: | how many tools do you have for sale? | [04:15] |
| diana_coman: | the calculation goes the other way arond (from value of ingredients to bp) | [04:15] |
| diana_coman: | well, how many toothpaste bps are you selling? | [04:16] |
| Birdman: | none at the bv adjusted deal | [04:16] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [04:16] |
| diana_coman: | then what are you asking for/ | [04:16] |
| Birdman: | well 1100 a piece | [04:16] |
| diana_coman: | then you'll get tools at 7q I suppose | [04:17] |
| Birdman: | though if you are up for it i'd do 400 each and i can buy the hoes for 13k a pop | [04:17] |
| diana_coman: | I would pay you that for toothpaste bps if they were at 100q | [04:17] |
| Birdman: | yeah, but the bv is sort of irrelevant here. You have something i want, and thats how the price breaks | [04:18] |
| Birdman: | otherwise i'd be willing to let em go a 200\% bv q100 | [04:18] |
| diana_coman: | it's q which is NOT irrelavant here | [04:18] |
| diana_coman: | you want 100q for 7q | [04:18] |
| diana_coman: | basically | [04:18] |
| diana_coman: | let me calc on last offer | [04:18] |
| Birdman: | i get it, they go into a craft, but are you really looking for numina? | [04:18] |
| Birdman: | alright alright | [04:18] |
| diana_coman: | they go into craft involving decay | [04:19] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I can do the 400/toothpaste bp in exchange for corresponding number of hoes at 13k each | [04:19] |
| diana_coman: | so: how many toothpaste bps you got then? | [04:20] |
| Birdman: | check those pss ords over by the trainer | [04:20] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, mind saying a number? | [04:20] |
| Birdman: | i know they're locked, but if you examine the bps it will show the quantity | [04:20] |
| Birdman: | i can come check when im done with this cs | [04:20] |
| diana_coman: | kk, please do | [04:21] |
| Birdman: | got 4 ords in a row, was sort of hoping id stop getting smalls for some reason | [04:21] |
| Birdman: | but then i got a small | [04:21] |
| diana_coman: | doesn't sound that bad to me | [04:21] |
| Birdman: | nah i assume my ord:small is a bit better than the competitions | [04:22] |
| Birdman: | its pretty consistent at 1:4 | [04:22] |
| diana_coman: | so got to town Birdman ? and ftr no, it doesn't show quantity anyway, since right click will just show the content of the bp rather than quality/info | [04:30] |
| Birdman: | it shows the recipe and not the quantity? | [04:31] |
| diana_coman: | yes, that's how the bps work usually | [04:31] |
| Birdman: | huh alright then, well on my way in ~ 30 sec | [04:31] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman i could sell 500 of them | [04:35] |
| diana_coman: | so 500*400/13000 = 15 tools and some spare change, right? | [04:36] |
| Birdman: | ah so thats what you meant by the corresponding amount of tools | [04:36] |
| Birdman: | you crafty badger | [04:36] |
| Birdman: | let me see if i wanna sell more | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | well yes, makes sense, no? | [04:37] |
| Birdman: | maybe | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, I'm fine with that | [04:37] |
| Birdman: | im not certain i am, let me do some calculations | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | loool, you offered the deal and now it's not fine anymore? lol | [04:38] |
| Birdman: | wasnt entirely sure what that corresponding part meant till now, meant to ask but forgot | [04:38] |
| Birdman: | also wasnt aware of my low supply of it | [04:38] |
| Birdman: | any other shredding bps you need? | [04:38] |
| diana_coman: | hm , lemme see | [04:39] |
| Birdman: | oh ive some samovar bps saved up ill probably never use | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | what do you want for the samovar bps? | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, we can talk on that separately as not really related and better get this tools and toothpaste settled this century | [04:41] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose possibly some congressional pulp bps might be fine too, though not that keen on them | [04:42] |
| Birdman: | pigment screwdrivers flatbread teas and tinctures | [04:42] |
| diana_coman: | ? what's with those? I'm not much of a cook myself | [04:43] |
| Birdman: | im considering shredding bps seperate from what i have of the samovar | [04:43] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I thought you meant samovar bps | [04:43] |
| diana_coman: | as in bps to make samovars, lol | [04:43] |
| Birdman: | aha nope | [04:43] |
| diana_coman: | I would buy bps to make samovars, but not interested in cooking bps, no | [04:44] |
| Birdman: | would ya.. buy a samovar or two? | [04:44] |
| diana_coman: | can we first finish on the toothpaste and then we see about anything else? I start getting the feeling that I am wasting time here | [04:44] |
| Birdman: | alright, well if i can only buy the corresponding copper amount then no dice, i dont have enough paste bps for that deal. If you're interested i can give you a bunch of pulp bps to cover say 25 tools total with the 15 from the paste bps | [04:46] |
| Birdman: | and i'd be willing to do the pulps for 80 a piece q7 | [04:46] |
| Birdman: | which is .75 bv | [04:46] |
| Birdman: | 1625 pulp bps, 500 paste bps for 25 of those tools | [04:47] |
| diana_coman: | fine, I can do the toothpaste + cp up to 25 tools | [04:47] |
| diana_coman: | let me finish this stick and I'll hop into town | [04:47] |
| Birdman: | alright | [04:48] |
| Birdman: | glad i got some value out of these finally | [04:48] |
| diana_coman: | is glad all this talk finalised into something really | [04:48] |
| Birdman: | yes well it comes with commerce i suppose | [04:49] |
| Birdman: | you dont enjoy a good haggle? | [04:49] |
| diana_coman: | my time has value too | [04:50] |
| diana_coman: | so if the haggle goes on and on, that adds to the cost really | [04:50] |
| diana_coman: | basically I'd rather pay 100 coppers more than waste half an hour to "gain" that 100 coppers | [04:50] |
| diana_coman: | as simple as that | [04:50] |
| diana_coman: | ok, ready | [04:51] |
| Birdman: | tanks | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | there we go, thanks | [04:52] |
| Birdman: | no prob shred well | [04:54] |
| Birdman: | i must be in a very weird place in the gathering ranks, because my ord:small ration the has gotten significantly better since it switched | [04:56] |
| Birdman: | more ords than smalls really | [04:56] |
| danielpbarron: | your character can work as you haggle | [06:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron 89 to go, we're on schedule here, 6-7 hours eta. | [07:28] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron> your character can work as you haggle <- yeah, but *I* normally work too while my character works, lol | [07:29] |
| diana_coman: | I was talking about my time, not my character's time | [07:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-26.log.html#t07:41:00 << o brother, waht are tools at yet ?! | [07:45] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Friday, 2016-02-26 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [07:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | 267\% on ch huh. | [07:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | so ch + ss + 5s + io + lft + ibs bps add up to about 130\% or say 13k. | [07:47] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, that's partially because those are still cs from merchant - hence I paid 13k on them | [07:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | their bv being 932 + 882 + 5*67 + 544 + 407 + 12 * 255 = 6160 we could judge bps are going for, give or take, 200\% bv | [07:48] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, I'm all keen on seeing other tools being offered at lower prices | [07:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman where they came from doesn't matter ; who put the money in the pot doesn't matter. | [07:48] |
| diana_coman: | for calc bp values, indeed | [07:48] |
| diana_coman: | it doesn't matter | [07:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | in general. | [07:48] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm not going to undercut her tool prices | [07:49] |
| diana_coman: | well, in general it doesn't matter, in particular it can matter, lol | [07:49] |
| diana_coman: | but that's not the point here | [07:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | if i got my slave playing poker, raiding cruise ships, wishing on a star or asking the facebook, all the same. | [07:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [07:49] |
| danielpbarron: | or at least not until some more tinkerers enter the fray and start auctioning packages of flasks or whatever | [07:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | half of it was that i wanted to see if i want to undercut that or not. prolly not. | [07:49] |
| diana_coman: | aha; and ha | [07:50] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [07:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | by a crude "cs was historically ~15-20\% over basic tools" we could say usable cs should sell for say 60 to 65k each | [07:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | by bp count... hm | [07:50] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean it took me long enough to make my tools; i wanna use them myself, and not spend all day changing what i'm crafting back and forth making all the stuff | [07:50] |
| diana_coman: | ^^^^ | [07:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | cs + 3 ppb + 1ft + 9 srs | [07:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2000 + 2 * 446 + 562 + 9 * 45 = 3859 | [07:51] |
| diana_coman: | well, I'm already planning making cs too so that I don't end up running out of those | [07:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | by this calc it'd be more like 35-40k | [07:52] |
| diana_coman: | but yeah, I don't see myself selling them | [07:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman would you sell for 62k say ? | [07:52] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, maybe a small quantity - trouble is that I really need cs now that lbn will become extinct due to bp problems | [07:53] |
| diana_coman: | it all comes back to no bps really | [07:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | gotta make some bps huh! | [07:53] |
| diana_coman: | YES! | [07:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite, ima deliver danielpbarron tea and focus into getting the one click done, see wtf. | [07:53] |
| diana_coman: | do you need anything else for that click/bps? | [07:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i do. i need the 1k high quality bouq numina stuff. | [07:54] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, let me see what I have, but prolly my q on bouq is 102 or some such | [07:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, no good. for best results i should make it myself. | [07:55] |
| diana_coman: | I somehow recall I sold you some of that anyway, didn't I? | [07:55] |
| danielpbarron: | oh lemme figure that out now | [07:55] |
| diana_coman: | aha, so then I guess there's nothing I can help with there | [07:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey danielpbarron on what terms would you part with the bp that ups numina for bouq and materials ? | [07:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | q dun matter. | [07:56] |
| danielpbarron: | well there's only 1 quality and it's 200 | [07:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | of the materials ? | [07:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | you don't make ink or w/e it uses at 200 i dun think | [07:56] |
| danielpbarron: | water of amnesia | [07:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha that. | [07:57] |
| danielpbarron: | well the terms would have to ~include~ me getting samovars and toolkits | [07:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman the one thing is that i could do a long run of bouq stuff hoping to loot some. but i'm not willing to do maculatgure because bps. yet there's stuff like ecv, but you sold him all teh leather! | [07:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | truth be told im not even sure leather under 150 helps here tho. | [07:57] |
| diana_coman: | kk, will sell you the next batch of leather | [07:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron that'd be no problem. half dozen of each ? | [07:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman let us do some math here. | [07:58] |
| danielpbarron: | and how much are you gonna pay for my amnesia waters? | [07:58] |
| diana_coman: | as to q... 10 levels up in farming + a couple in building to get 1 (ONE) q point higher | [07:58] |
| diana_coman: | so ... | [07:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | ecv is bv 14587. it takes 1 bng and 23 wpl. | [07:58] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, I might still have some high q bng...maybe, will check | [07:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | now... if my bng is q 150, which i can't fucking change, for the life of me, 20mn worth of cooking later, | [07:58] |
| diana_coman: | (as in 200) | [07:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | that makes it o q200 would help loads. | [07:59] |
| diana_coman: | gotta check | [07:59] |
| danielpbarron: | last time i tried i was cooking at 90 quality | [07:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, (14587 * 1.43 - 1.5 * 11395) / 23 / 152 = 1.077491419 | [08:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | so basically i need q 108 wpl to even break even on craft. | [08:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron i dunno, what'd you want on them ? | [08:00] |
| diana_coman: | well, my wpl is q 142 | [08:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually in fairness, it's also the bp which i dun recall what q i have lessee | [08:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | o that high by now ? | [08:01] |
| diana_coman: | it's been for a while, yes | [08:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | only goes to show how little i've seen of it of late! | [08:01] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, you get next batch of wpl, will build the ords soon then too and see what it all amounts to | [08:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok then im not gonna bother checking, with wpl 142 i should get about 3-4k from bp/decay + 3-4k from leather aka 7k+ | [08:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | a few hundred clicks of these should yield some midrange i would hope | [08:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme see what else could be done here. | [08:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | i could of course try a bunch of ds. | [08:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1-10 pss. that's more room to play. i got no bbb of course... but i could make some if i had fucking ltf. | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme see what q my cp is | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | o sweet i got some q 200 cp. so that's a definite possibility also. | [08:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron you'll want this vellum btw ? | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | hm hm, 26 bng 195q | [08:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | o that's pretty good. | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | it cost me a pretty penny too AND it's not replaceable at all, lol | [08:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | ayup. | [08:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | also ftr : if any noobs want me to make you tools : 1. locate shaped slag BPS. whoever did the huge shaped slag bps for me back when i was offering them must have tons of bps, look through the logs, find them, steal or beg the bps etc. | [08:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2. craft these. the quality doesn't matter. whatever. if you need slag bps i might be able to sell you ; or else if you want actually make you the slag. | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | or simpler than that, buy my tools, lol | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3. bring the stuff to me. if you manage to ALSO source tool bps you'll have it much easier. if not... you still might be able to beat diana's prices. | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. simpler. | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | (not that they don't do exactly that atm) | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | but yeah, I'm looking forward to cheaper tools too | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooo diana_coman, 125\% on the bng ? :D | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | bwahahaha | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | no | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok, how about | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | 125\% on 125\% on the bng ? | [08:13] |
| danielpbarron: | has shaped slag blueprints :D | [08:14] |
| danielpbarron: | there's your log line noobs | [08:14] |
| danielpbarron: | start begging | [08:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | so 903k for the 26 bng you mean mircea_popescu ? | [08:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think jurov also had some | [08:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman aww, i was gonna do this entire 125\% of 125\% chain thing like in that "1st day of christmas" song | [08:15] |
| diana_coman: | has no idea of the song | [08:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | lessee here. 903 / 26 / 11395 | [08:16] |
| diana_coman: | but feel free to add to the chain | [08:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | so like 300\% ? | [08:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | if i make 26 clicks and loot 0 numina of the sort i need i'm fucked. | [08:16] |
| diana_coman: | 300\% seems fine | [08:17] |
| diana_coman: | I have no idea on the loot | [08:17] |
| diana_coman: | I guess you can try first with your bng and the wpl only | [08:17] |
| diana_coman: | no idea really | [08:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | but, to quote from ancient articles, | [08:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Money is not that meaningful currently, and I'll quote an absolutely fine example to illustrate this. One of the many "needed but no supply known" ingredients was TLC (Two Leaf Clover, aka Diana's Doifoi). This thing was recently found, by Daniel Barron, through the application of his monopolistic skillset and tools. How much should he charge ? He asked me for 20k, and I passed - but I must underline that I do not begrudge th | [08:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | e man his asking in the slightest. He has spent large piles of copper to obtain this, and has a good position which he should exploit in order to ensure his very own survival. And he should survive, because he's valuable - he's the guy that got us the clover at all after all!" | [08:18] |
| danielpbarron: | why does the quality of assorted library mites need to be high btw? | [08:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron because it's just like with the sacrifice : if i don't oc i don't loot. | [08:18] |
| danielpbarron: | what do the mites get used in, bouq? | [08:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, the apprentice thing | [08:19] |
| danielpbarron: | right but what line | [08:19] |
| danielpbarron: | your lapidary needs to be above that | [08:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, the apprentice thing is bouq yes | [08:19] |
| danielpbarron: | so even yours won't overcraft | [08:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | they will because range. | [08:19] |
| danielpbarron: | mine aren't that far off from yours | [08:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q do you make them ? | [08:20] |
| danielpbarron: | 90 and rising | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | wasn't i makign them 120 or somesuch ? | [08:20] |
| danielpbarron: | is that were you left off? | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i did something lapidary recently i recall discussing it | [08:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | brb logs | [08:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | Feb 21 22:52:54 <mircea_popescu> sooo lapidary skill 3, q 115 ; skill 10 q 116 ; skill 15 q 117 ; skill 19 q 118 ; skill 29 q 119 ; skill 32 q 120 ; skill 39 q 121 ; skill 46 q 122 | [08:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | im doing q 122. | [08:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | but you're right - i'd be a lot better off looting them from bouq than making them with lapidary | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | just... looting is always risky. how do i know i get any. | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | lapidary produces as a guaranteed result yes ? | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman it's pretty interesting to try and figure this out, for me. so obv if i pay 900k on yoru bng, i get 26 clicks with much higher oc. but oc is to a degree (to what degree ?) fungible, so i could get the same results with more (how many ?) clicks on normal bng and your wpl. but normal bng STILL has to be made, lft, acg, the works. so it has a cost too. | [08:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | so which is, as a rational player, my better move here ? | [08:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | if anyone has any ideas how to figure this plox share. | [08:25] |
| diana_coman: | well, dunno if oc goes into any rational consideration really seeing how it to a significant extent luck related really; I'd say more of a personal preference/choice which can perhaps be rationalised but not sure that fully makes it "rational" by any means | [08:26] |
| diana_coman: | but I suppose any attempt at that would still be interesting to hear nevertheless | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | luck goes through reason like water through a sifter. | [08:27] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> lapidary produces as a guaranteed result yes ? << yes it's like shredding for bits | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | if it is luck based, then you just figure the odds and you got l'hopital or w/e, bernouli | [08:27] |
| danielpbarron: | ok how about this : 50 toil of bouquinism quality 200 for 2 turning wheels at least 500k q | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman it's a fucking numeric computer, what mysticism is this. it is REQUIRED that there exists a numeric better. | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron you got moar bps ? | [08:29] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [08:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | and what 500k q, i don't even make them that high do i ? | [08:29] |
| danielpbarron: | the last one you traded me was over 500k i thought | [08:29] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah it's still over 500k after i've used it a bunch | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh i got my used one in storage it's like 450 but i beat the hell out of it | [08:30] |
| diana_coman: | well, it is required it exists, but not that it is calculable with the info available at present or something; sure, "luck" there is defined numerically so yeah, you could calc it | [08:30] |
| diana_coman: | but do you know the odds ? I don't | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | me either ;/ | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | wut do. | [08:31] |
| diana_coman: | embrace mysticism !! :)) | [08:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [08:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | so my options here are, so far : | [08:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1. use your bng and wpl for 26 clicks which may or may not yield ; 1.1 use my bng which i don't have made out of acg i don't have made out of lft i don't have and wlp, for idem, but more clicks. | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2. use my own cp and make some ds. for as long as that'll last. | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3. buy danielpbarron's bps hey, you forgot the water thing ? | [08:32] |
| diana_coman: | wtf, I just unlocked 1 ord, put the bundle in it and it promptly vanished????? | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | wtf | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | it's not even an old ord | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | tsk. | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | well, will add that tsk to the price of wpl then | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | that sweeper thing is totally griefing people. | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | will have to be fucking fixed already. sorry! | [08:34] |
| danielpbarron: | lol i went through so many old ords the last few days and not a one disappeared on me | [08:34] |
| danielpbarron: | guess i used up all the luck | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I know, I did too, this was a NEW ONE | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | LET US CALCULATE IT | [08:35] |
| danielpbarron: | even left one unlocked as i ran to town because i forgot bundles | [08:35] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't have enough water made yet | [08:35] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd need samovars and toolkits first i guess | [08:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron how about i make you toolkits and samovars for ALL your water, and you give me only the water i need for bouq ? | [08:36] |
| danielpbarron: | if you want 50 waters with the 50 toils | [08:36] |
| danielpbarron: | hm | [08:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh look at that, im short shaped slag, too. | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok danielpbarron here's an offer you can't fucking resit, i'm telling you. step 1 : you give me 160 FCS and 40 SCS. step 2 : i give you 20 samovars and 20 toolkits. i make them pretty good, q 143.3 or so. step 3 : you give me 50 toils and the waters they need. | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | (at this juncture i must point out that danielpbarron 's continued winning of auctions puts him in a prime fucking position to negotiate every damned week, doesn't it!) | [08:43] |
| danielpbarron: | what quality on the shaped slags? | [08:46] |
| danielpbarron: | granted, i wouldn't try for the lowest, but maybe birdman or somone with quality around 50 wants to do that part for me | [08:49] |
| danielpbarron: | hrm, i already have the oil actually | [08:50] |
| danielpbarron: | i guess i'd wanna use that myself for the exp | [08:51] |
| danielpbarron: | alright, mircea_popescu deal | [08:52] |
| danielpbarron: | oil kinda feels like the soj of this game right now | [08:53] |
| danielpbarron: | i see a stack over 200 in my storage and i feel rich | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron can be any quality i dun care. | [09:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh, it is pretty valuable yeh | [09:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, ima finish the tea, put the toolkits in the oven, then you can deliver the ss when you're done and ima start on samovars. | [09:03] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman or whoever, speak soon with an enticing deal on shaped slags or forever hold your peace | [09:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm preparing my stocks now, making my slag and oil the same quality | [09:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | these packages used to be pure gold back in the day, who knew. | [09:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | noob with q 20ish would have gotten 10k bps from a run likethis or some such | [09:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm thinking i'd actually want to ~be paid~ for the opportunity to rank up an aspiring tinkerer, on top of me getting the resulting numina | [09:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | how things change. | [09:06] |
| danielpbarron: | when it was blueprints that was another story | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | eulora be a harsh mistress. | [09:08] |
| diana_coman: | today's the day of wtfs, sheesh: picked up wpl and it went into some hidden slots (why? I had plenty empty slots!) and now dunno, got to drop it all 1 by 1 or something because if I give it a number it says it did not find the item | [09:11] |
| diana_coman: | .... | [09:11] |
| diana_coman: | I should prolly patch the client to automatically drop ALL of one item | [09:12] |
| diana_coman: | or better yet /moveto | [09:12] |
| danielpbarron: | /bot drop 1 leather 0 1 5500 8500 | [09:12] |
| diana_coman: | something like that, lol | [09:12] |
| diana_coman: | but more like /bot drop all leather | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | but more like /bot drop all wpl | [09:13] |
| danielpbarron: | /bot wtf 1 eleventy 7 5400 | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | bwahahahaha | [09:13] |
| danielpbarron: | no it's easy you just didn't read the help text | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | mhm? | [09:14] |
| danielpbarron: | don't mind me i'm just cracking myself up | [09:14] |
| danielpbarron: | ok i got 1k slag and 200 oil both quality 119 and 200 shaped slag blueprints quality 9 ready to go | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | I do notice that, lol; just you know, go ahead and suggest the wonderfully simpler bot interface | [09:15] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll hold off a sec and see what the offers are | [09:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman prolly stacked with other wpl in same place ? | [09:16] |
| danielpbarron: | as in, how much someone is willing to pay me in exchange for 200 shaped slags and all the resulting numina loot | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the solution is to go to bank | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | that list is enumerated properly. | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | well, I had no wpl on me | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | so..no | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O ?! | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | I can't go ! | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | overweight | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe that's where your claim went also ? | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | before I could even build it? | [09:17] |
| danielpbarron: | s/in exhange for/to make me/ | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | it fucking vanished the moment I put the bundle in, did not even get to build it | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe you picked it up | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | what? | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | the claim entirely/ | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno! | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | inb4 foxy is moving around with a chunk of texas affixed | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, beyond the funny part, foxy is entirely stuck | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | after a series of drop any | [09:19] |
| danielpbarron: | wonders if there will be some sort of magic spell to altar the names of things, so that one claim becomes another | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | now it doesn't find wpl anymore but then it's still overweight | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | clusterfuck | [09:20] |
| danielpbarron: | alter even | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | o.o changing the name changes the thing now? | [09:20] |
| danielpbarron: | like you get a text prompt filled with the current name of the thing, you change it as you wish, and the server checks if what you changed it to is a valid thing, and charges you per letter changed or something | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron ahaha telegraph magic ? | [09:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i remember there were some magic the gathering cards that let you alter creature types and colors | [09:24] |
| danielpbarron: | or change one land to another | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman log off and ima operate on your entrails. | [09:25] |
| diana_coman: | out | [09:25] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, : 1110wpl 142q and 2428wpl 141q | [09:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | sweet. what on them ? | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | hm, last lot went for 297 per wpl iirc | [09:51] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, as it is for bps, I'll let this go at 130\% | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | you got yourself a deal. | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | kk, eta 3 min | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | two trades I guess, as it will mix otherwise | [09:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [09:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1110 * 1.42 + 2428 * now please. | [09:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | (1110 * 1.42 + 2428 * 1.43) * 152 * 1.3 = 997532.224 | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | it says I have to wait, lol | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | damn | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | sorry bout that | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | now | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | good luck with them | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | oh, they were at 1.41 and 1.42, not 1.42 and 1.43 | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | so it's 988, not 998 | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | owe you 10k, lol | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah ok. ty. | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-26.log.html#t09:14:11 <<< ahahaha best log line! | [10:35] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Friday, 2016-02-26 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman im taking your ft bps at 1100 if you still got 'em. | [10:36] |
| diana_coman: | neah, I got them :D | [10:37] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, 8015 wwb 142 q, want it? | [10:37] |
| diana_coman: | after convoluted discussions there we got to a deal toothpaste bps+ cp bps for 25 tools | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | damn. | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, no need for wwb atm cuz not making wineskins, making ecv | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | stack it up.\ | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | kk, will keep at it | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | holy shit this guy really doesn't know how to deal huh! | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | you got MORE bps ?! | [10:41] |
| diana_coman: | for some reason he was fixated on the tools being "too expensive" | [10:41] |
| diana_coman: | dunno really why he didn't just get the tools and let me pay for the bps and that would have been that | [10:41] |
| diana_coman: | but hey, what can I do | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | because cash expending aversion. | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | I guess so, makes some sense | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | from what i've seen it's been the #1 driver of insane behaviour in game so far. | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | or maybe just lack of cash basically | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | mostly because people are somehow used with game items being worthless, and game cash being more or less set by developer to match sweat | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | one can't spend what one doesn't have, so then ..deals | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess. | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | so in the end you got about 1-2mn worth of bps for 25k bv in tools ? | [10:43] |
| diana_coman: | how do you calc 1-2mn worth of bps? | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | 5000\% ftw. | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, he had 1k ft at 1100, right ? and 1600 cp is what, another mil i guess. didn't really run the numbers on it | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | no, 500 ft | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | and they were some 5q | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | they still work. | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | sure do | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | I'm fine with the deal really, kind of set my mind a bit more at ease re future cs | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | im sure YOU are fione with it :D | [10:45] |
| diana_coman: | heh, I *worked* for it! | [10:45] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. fair enough. | [10:45] |
| diana_coman: | and he got what he wanted - tools | [10:45] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, would you like to trade 79 q9352 cruddy hoes for 99 q7466 stone adzes? | [12:08] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, deal | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | you in town now? | [12:41] |
| diana_coman: | if not, I'll be back in ~2hrs | [12:41] |
| danielpbarron: | ack | [12:48] |
| danielpbarron: | still around? | [12:48] |
| danielpbarron: | ah no wonder you are so eager, i didn't factor in the 2k buyback (stupid me), how about 83 for 100? (still your benefit just not as much) | [12:53] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, how is that to my benefit exactly? if I calc it as 83*9352+83*2000â\u0088\u0092100*7466â\u0088\u0092100*2000 I end up losing ~4k; and tbh I am not in need of adzes; I guess I'll just stick to selling the hoes as advertised and avoid messing about with all sorts of deals | [14:37] |
| diana_coman: | and ftr I wasn't particularly eager: I just knew I had only 5 min at the calc at the time, lol | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron tea's done | [15:20] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu are you buying low q tlc at the same price? | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | which price is that ? | [15:22] |
| Birdman: | 2k each | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep, any quality. | [15:22] |
| Birdman: | sweet | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | bury me baby. | [15:23] |
| Birdman: | you got it mang | [15:23] |
| Birdman: | i noticed right after i made that deal with diana it was stupid of me, it was pretty late | [15:23] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, no.. ~I~ end up losing 4k | [15:32] |
| danielpbarron: | you add the adzes and subtract the hoes | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron there ? | [15:36] |
| danielpbarron: | ya | [15:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | at your leisure | [15:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | 446 teas and that settles that. | [15:39] |
| danielpbarron: | thanks! | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | toolkits are underway, i would guess maybe hm... 2 hours ? 3 ? | [15:39] |
| Birdman: | is this a good time to offer q6 tea bps for price at q200 bv | [15:41] |
| danielpbarron: | seeing as how i can only actually use 99 tea and i have that, i'm not in a rush | [15:43] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, how much would you pay me for a package to make 200 shaped slag and all the numina loot? | [15:43] |
| danielpbarron: | quality 119 ingredients and q 9 blueprints | [15:43] |
| Birdman: | 0 | [15:44] |
| Birdman: | but ill process it for free and give you resulting loots n crafts | [15:44] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah no | [15:44] |
| Birdman: | alright | [15:45] |
| Birdman: | im not gonna pay to rank up | [15:45] |
| Birdman: | not my tinkering at least | [15:45] |
| danielpbarron: | btw, I just learned this one the other day : $ tail -qf .Eulora/log/* | [16:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha ? | [16:25] |
| danielpbarron: | no matter which log file is updated, it'll show it | [16:26] |
| danielpbarron: | the -q leaves out the name of the file | [16:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yea | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | &item black | [16:36] |
| euporium: | Black of Desspayr(1) cat: Ingredients I base value: 29170, 2 other items match | [16:36] |
| danielpbarron: | &item daniel | [16:37] |
| euporium: | Daniel's Confused Scribblings on Gathering(1) cat: Books I base value: 44192 | [16:37] |
| danielpbarron: | :D | [16:37] |
| danielpbarron: | &item daniel's magic | [16:38] |
| euporium: | I know nothing of daniel's magic | [16:38] |
| danielpbarron: | &item magic | [16:38] |
| euporium: | Magic Bag(1) cat: Magic Stuffs base value: 1, 1 other items match | [16:38] |
| danielpbarron: | scam. My bad is named "Daniel's Magic Bag" | [16:38] |
| danielpbarron: | bag even | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | awell! | [16:39] |
| danielpbarron: | &more | [16:39] |
| euporium: | Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. | [16:39] |
| danielpbarron: | &item magic 2 | [16:40] |
| euporium: | I know nothing of magic 2 | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | &help | [16:40] |
| euporium: | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands. | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | &help item | [16:40] |
| euporium: | (item <item>) -- Searches for information about <item> | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | stabs euporium | [16:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | &item stab | [16:40] |
| euporium: | I know nothing of stab | [16:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | fail. | [16:40] |
| danielpbarron: | &list | [16:41] |
| euporium: | Admin, AutoMode, Channel, Config, EuloraUsers, Misc, NickAuth, Owner, User, and Utilities | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | &list EuloraUsers | [16:41] |
| euporium: | item | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | &item foxy | [16:42] |
| euporium: | Foxy's Dismal Scribblings on Gathering(1) cat: Books I base value: 17007, 2 other items match http://dianacoman.com/Eulora/Foxy's-Dismal-Scribblings-on-Gathering.html | [16:42] |
| danielpbarron: | &item mircea | [16:42] |
| euporium: | Mircea's Abhorent Scribblings on Tinkering(1) cat: Books I base value: 86901, 5 other items match | [16:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | &eulorausers | [16:45] |
| euporium: | Error: "eulorausers" is not a valid command. | [16:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | &list eulorausers | [16:46] |
| euporium: | item | [16:46] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron> diana_coman, no.. ~I~ end up losing 4k <- oh, right you are there - goes to show why it's best to stick to cash unless really no choice; anyway, so don't lose anything and just buy the hoes if you need them | [16:51] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't want to buy tools at that price | [16:52] |
| danielpbarron: | i already have tools | [16:53] |
| danielpbarron: | just wanted to swap some of them | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyone bidding sunday btw ? | [16:55] |
| danielpbarron: | i plan on being there | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | I'm kind of focusing on farming though and mining as second so really not much interest in adzes I'm afraid | [16:57] |
| danielpbarron: | nevermind | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | I don't seem to get those two moving fast enough as it is | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | I plan on being there on Sunday too | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | curious what comes of it. | [17:04] |
| Birdman: | not sure why or how, but cs are on and off not registering or something. I start the explore, it uses the tool q, runs the bar out, but doesnt do anything past that. just says ">you start to explore." and thats the end of it | [17:09] |
| Birdman: | and its happened enough in the past day or two for me to mention it | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | o.o I've been burning today through more than 100 cs and never saw that, hmm | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | can you explore afterwards in same place Birdman ? | [17:10] |
| Birdman: | should note, no exp either | [17:10] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman yes | [17:10] |
| Birdman: | i dont know what is interupting it or what | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | and is the tool decayed ? | [17:15] |
| Birdman: | yes | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is innerving. | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima re-open this issue, we shall see wtf. i thought it was solved. | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman http://trilema.com/2016/so-youre-a-rational-fellow-right/ << the longest acceptance speech of a trade in euloran history. | [17:33] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: So you're a rational fellow, right ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm taking the bng's. | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | well, gotta read that then to figure out you are taking them, no? (lemme finish this ord and I'll pop back in town) | [17:34] |
| danielpbarron: | \%item purse | [17:34] |
| danielpbarron: | &item purse | [17:35] |
| euporium: | I know nothing of purse | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | methinks it's pretty interesting, but then again that's me. | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooo... who's selling me ict at 20k a pop ? | [17:40] |
| diana_coman: | what's ict? | [17:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | tokens | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | for my own amusement, how much did you pay on these ? 400k or something ? | [17:42] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, that's all coin I have, owe you 10k? | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | k | [17:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | thanks | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | good luck with them | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | as to what I paid, I don't quite remember; certainly some higher markup on them and it was possibly part of some complicated deal with supplying tlc and the like; I got a load of them when I was planning to make ecv + books | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. i dunrecall either, msuta been one of those. | [17:45] |
| Birdman: | So the apprentice bouq craft gives you a bunch of shredding bundles huh? | [17:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | sexy huh. | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | also, as I go through the post on trilema: do you/will you need high q beans too? | [17:47] |
| Birdman: | where do bps fit into this though | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | what for ? | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | Which Ampoules in turn get mixed with 6600 Better Bitterbeans to make the ink in question. | [17:49] |
| lobbesbot: | News from eulora: So you're a rational fellow, right ? <http://trilema.com/2016/so-youre-a-rational-fellow-right/> | [17:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have a large pile of bbb, q 100+ ish. but i could certainly buy more. | [17:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | so... sure, if you have them. not a priority otherwise. | [17:51] |
| diana_coman: | I have quite a bunch of bbb ordinaries, so then I guess I should better build them | [17:51] |
| diana_coman: | oh, with wwb now: I basically got higher q before making a full stack, so kind of sucks on mixing it, lol | [17:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | can't hurt bnuilding them to clear out inv space / get your skills up sure sure | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'll buy | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, that's the thing, mainly getting skill up + clear out inv | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | plus the claims get old, hell knows | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | not that old ever proved bad in eulora EXCEPT for claims really | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, do I get it right that your problem is to get as high overcraft as possible on the new thing you are doing? | [17:56] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: wouldn't it then make more sense to get a noob to do the click ? | [17:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | if the noob bid in the auction it'd make perfect sense for him to do the click. | [17:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | but until such a day... ima b e doing the click. | [17:57] |
| diana_coman: | quite an interesting read anyway | [18:04] |
| diana_coman: | anyway wanted to say: the bng is 11395Ã\u009726Ã\u00971.95 base value as it is and even at 1.3 only (being cooking I really doubt I paid *less* than that), it still is total 750k | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeh, nb. | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | i just fall victim to the cash-hoarding bug somethimes too! | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | anwyay - i have pretty much everything together here, once the deal with danielpbarron clears and i've done the ecv, we're good to do ONE click and see what this is. | [18:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | i would expect this to happen either tomorrow or sun | [18:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | should i sell the maculature or click it myself ? we want low or high lbn ? | [18:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | low iirc ? | [18:17] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm tempted to say high only because that would mean the looted numina would also be high | [18:18] |
| danielpbarron: | and also because i'm set on bits for a while | [18:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's be very little oc for me tho. just the table basically. | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | having a noob click it won't result in extra bits | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | just bouq numina. | [18:20] |
| danielpbarron: | ah what do i care i'm supposed to give you all those toils | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | hopefully i make more anyway | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | just means you get less to no lapidary numina | [18:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah there is that. | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | which i'd buy, but it's not a huge concern | [18:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | this change in bp production basically added a huge panel of gauges and levers for the players to play with | [18:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot 20k for your ict! | [19:37] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu you got 'em | [19:41] |
| danielpbarron: | isn't it ist? | [20:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | cacrifice lol | [20:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron is the slag ready btw ? | [20:31] |
| danielpbarron: | it'll be another 5 hours | [20:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah ok. im on the last coupla btks, but will be going out so | [20:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | tomorrow morn or when im back | [20:38] |
| danielpbarron: | yep | [20:38] |
| Birdman: | welp im on my last 20 cs | [22:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | shiiiit, 245 assorted mites! | [23:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | and only 15 clicks done. | [23:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | LOVE YOU diana_coman !!11 | [23:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot sweet, hit me up whenever. | [23:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other sad news, my bouq output is merely 130 | [23:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course, this bodes great for looting. | [23:18] |
| Birdman: | yes which is the name of the game right now right? | [23:19] |
| DicePower: | Birdman: Got your PM (I have a bouncer so I appear Online even when I'm not), I actually haven't even started the game yet, hehe. I've been working on studying character stats by iterating through characters. Was away for a few days and tomorrow I'm planning to continue trying to compile the source code. | [23:25] |
| Birdman: | ah well good luck to ya | [23:26] |
| DicePower: | ty it's been an adventure :P | [23:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | hopefully yea | [23:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, i'm in a position to calc my craft now, in advance. | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | putting in, 88170 * 1.5 + 100 * 1.07 + 99 * 1515 + 339 = 345671.66 | [23:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | taking out, 107 × 1727 × 1.3 = 240225.7 | [23:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | overcraft per click, 105445.96 ECu. if this is the BV of blueprints i'm getting, then i'd make something like say 4506 CFT bps or 86 basic tool bps or 40 cs traditions etc. | [23:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | at least theoretically very few bps would be outside my reach, mostly stuff like the tools and us and that kinda item. | [23:35] |
| Birdman: | ah but q130 | [23:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | yuppers. | [23:35] |
| Birdman: | so you are looting bps | [23:36] |
| Birdman: | ? | [23:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | hopefully. | [23:36] |
| Birdman: | awesome | [23:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | with any luck i get a pop with it :D | [23:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | now THAT would be awesome | [23:38] |
| Birdman: | heh those ords really do disappear right before your eyes huh, didnt think i'd need to lock it so damn urgently seeing as it was made a day ago tops | [23:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's a game of grab what you can! | [23:39] |
| Birdman: | could imagine mining old sizeables and remarks is not for the faint of heart! | [23:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh and i can also calculate actual spendage per click. | [23:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | so the bps, i paid 50mn for 100, that's 500k each. the dt let's call it 200k. the bod, maybe 100k together. the ist 20k, and so far 245 numina cost me 903k + 598 × 1.42 × 152 × 1.3 = 167794 + the bps say 30 * 26 = 500k. 1,57mn for 245 means 100 cost me 640k, and there we have it then... | [23:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | 500 + 200 + 100 + 20 + 640 = 1.46mn. whatever comes out of that click'd better be worth 1.5mn, | [23:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | by which logic if 40 cs are worth 1.5mn then each cs ~tradition~ is like 35-40k. | [23:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | and similarly tool bps like 17-20k a pop, and CFT bps 320-350 ecu each. | [23:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | and this is just a very optimistic, base values only sort of approach. can easily double that. | [23:48] |
| Birdman: | so how would that work out, if the bps cost 3000\% or w/e of their base value | [23:49] |
| Birdman: | what would be changed? | [23:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | the prices, i expect. | [23:50] |
| Birdman: | huh | [23:50] |
| Birdman: | crazy stuff | [23:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | as far as we know currently, market value of a cs is about 70k or so. | [23:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | more than half of which due to bps | [23:51] |
| Gaxaro: | Hi there. | [23:52] |
| Gaxaro: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUNRl3kAATk pretty cool video | [23:56] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: 10 Most Expensive Virtual Items Ever Sold - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) | [23:57] |
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