Ossa Sepia

September 24, 2020

Of Boys and Chocolate

Filed under: Lyf,Young, old and oldest — Diana Coman @ 2:37 pm

The mysterious missive was read and a new purpose gained: “Now to understand what all this means!”, he joyously said, going through it all again in his head. “The trouble is clear: my presents are near but well hidden, I fear. There are clues and a key so I really can’t see what big trouble might be to figure it out in time for my tea. And if it takes the whole day, it’s even better, I’d say, since a difficult quest is really the best. In practice I’m told, it’s good to be bold but asking as well those who know to “please, tell” yields advice one can take to get faster to cake”:

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At a later time, on the lookout for more (of everything really: more missives, more mysteries, more cake, more enemies, just… MORE):
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Since I’ve been asked, here’s the text of the missive in full (and yes, I got a bit carried away with it since it was a welcome break from coding and more)
:

The word has spread throughout the realm that you may be looking for brave defenders for your castle! If that is so, we hope you’ll find us to your liking and we pledge our brave hearts, trusty arms and mighty weapons to your service.

We’ve heard the special day was set to be this Tuesday and so we traveled from far away and spared no effort to make it to your sight on time but here, so close to your castle, something terrible has happened to us: we got lost from one another and found ourselves in the most unsettling of places that we couldn’t even begin to describe! Will you come to our rescue as this realm of yours is unknown to us and we are afraid we’d be too late if we have to make our own way without any of your gracious help?

We are three brothers in arms: an archer, a swordsman and a halberdier. We know not how it came to be that we got separated but here’s what we know of our current surroundings, in the hope that some of it might hold a clue for you to find us soon:

– the archer found himself in a terribly, terribly cold place where there’s nothing to hunt, it’s mostly dark and only at times a ray of light shines blindingly through for a moment and then vanishes again before the eyes could even get used to it at all.

– the swordsman got trapped unexpectedly in a sort of traveling dark place, between a plastic wall and a white paper roll of something that seemed peaceful enough when left alone but who knows what it might do if poked with a sword!

– the halberdier is in an even worse predicament as it seems to him that a whole continent fell on top of him, almost squashing his entire breath out – the only chance he had was that this continent or whatever it is turns out to be relatively soft when prodded with the halberd but it’s still way too big to be moved out of the way.

Finally, there’s also a rumor going about that your castle has attracted a lot of interest, being as it is, a special kind of castle, as it befits your Highness surely. Unfortunately, some very interested party seems to be trying to snatch the castle for themselves and so you’ll have to find the place where they hid it! I’m told that the castle is big enough though (way bigger than us, of course!) and so it shouldn’t be all that difficult to find. Only remember the clue we’ve heard from an old woman that lived a long life and learnt a lot through all that living: all is not what it seems and the easiest place to hide something is in plain sight, among others of its kind.

We are eagerly awaiting you and hope you’ll find us all soon enough!

Your faithful servants to be,
Archer, Swordsman and Halberdier.

September 19, 2020

The Day When I Did Nothing At All

Filed under: Word Therapy — Diana Coman @ 3:47 pm

On the day when I did nothing at all, I woke up with a throbbing ball of accumulated tiredness instead of my usual head on the shoulders, I cooked breakfast for three, tidied everything up, then cycled with the child to school, bought some bread on the way back as it was needed at home, sorted out some pending correspondence and then did the laundry because that was needed too. I rested then for all of 15 minutes or rather those 15 minutes imposed their rest on me, without much cause for appeal.

On that same day when I did nothing at all, I cooked lunch as well, then discussed and clarified various issues as they popped up and claimed time that seemed stretched beyond recognition, cooked dinner, made some caramelised walnuts too, washed and cleaned everything as needed in the kitchen, set all up as required for next day’s meals as well, looked after the child, got him all ready for sleep and ready for his next day too. And then as I noticed off hand to someone else that I *really* did nothing at all the whole day, they replied that they nearly got tired only hearing that list of “nothing”, so what on Earth am I talking nonsense for?

By the end of the day when I did nothing at all, all it took was that unexpected question (such are the best friends to have!) to knock off entirely a whole ball of accumulated tiredness, for it was the weirdest of things to hold at the same time as equally valid that I did nothing at all and that I did at the same time quite a lot, too. Nevertheless, there wasn’t much of the day left (nor much awake of me) to figure this out in the least and so I let sleep claim whatever little was left of it all.

After the day when I did nothing at all, I woke up with the riddle solved, the answer all ready and fitting: it wasn’t as much that I hadn’t *done* anything the day before as it was that -for once, for one rather rare once- I hadn’t really *grown* at all that day as all those doings were the sort that had no weight for me anymore: they claimed merely some of my time and certainly my existence but close to none of my deep engagement otherwise. I had been present that day, certainly, but I hadn’t travelled with it anywhere further than on any of the days that had passed before, merely treading the same old ground, familiar and easy as it might be. And so it felt correctly that there was indeed nothing done – more precisely said nothing achieved that day, for all its enumerable motions that may seem like activity only to the youngest or most superficial of glances.

September 12, 2020

#eulora Logs for Sep 2020

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 8:09 pm
Day changed to 2020-09-12
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/desperation-in-desolation-or-the-woes-of-the-contemporary-entrepreneur-or-what-came-of-my-first-attempt-at-running-the-second-generation-eulora-client-ornery-in-any-case/ << Trilema S.MG — Desperation in desolation ; Or, the woes of the contemporary entrepreneur ; Or, what came of my first attempt at running the second generation Eulora client. Ornery, in any case. [20:09]

September 6, 2020

Moving On

Filed under: Dark Modern Ages,Outreach — Diana Coman @ 6:29 pm

For the past year and change, I kept bridging what seemed a naturally occurring gap and as such a sign of growth and life but turned out to be instead a pressure-induced crack, the first or more pronounced one of myriad to come and simply a sign of decay and death. While I am indeed willing to spend quite a lot of effort (as this past year shows, as much of my history otherwise records) to help new growth blossom and new life flourish, the flip side to this is that I can’t summon any interest *at all* in merely mending cracks and thus preserving or artificially keeping in a semblance of life what is on its own almost or already or only-not-quite dead.

What started last year in July mainly as an accessible entry point to TMSR, grew very rapidly although at times in rather unexpected directions. Several newcomers joined indeed in the very first months and despite their needs being at times greater than I had initially expected, I happily extended my hours, my resources and my effort as required to support them since they were working for their part as well. A short few months later however, the increased demand came not as much from new people as from those who had been around for years. Although surprised at this unexpected direction, I still did not turn them down but added yet another part to the project to try support as well the rebuilding and revitalising of old endeavours basically rather than just the starting of new ones.

Then people were caught unawares and some quite distraught in the aftermath of TMSR’s closure so I remained available and I didn’t just move on as swiftly as I could have done, as it would have been easiest and most convenient for me to do, too. I remained, reviewed and restructured instead. As I said then in #ossasepia, I planned to remain available for as long as there was use to it, but not longer, since from my point of view I had committed already to help those I had accepted and therefore I wasn’t going to shut anything down from under them. Yes, I hadn’t said it until now in quite those words because they weren’t required and I for one don’t need otherwise to affirm some commitment of mine for it to still carry more water and be more reliable in practice than a whole lot of verbal “commitments” and pledges from many others. If you think that pledge was there because *I* needed it in any way, think again and then look perhaps at what everyone involved actually did each and every day over this past year.

Right after TMSR’s end, there were various pushes and prods from old and new people alike and for the record, I’d rather state this part plainly too: while I was at the time quite open to anything moving indeed forwards and aiming for a new start (in other words: alive), I was at the same time indeed entirely opposed to any attempt at transforming the whole thing into either a preservation effort (dead but we keep it moving!) or a sort of cheapened, “more affordable” tmsr (sure, nobody called their intentions *that*, since finding the apt words is anyway a difficult matter and on top of it, plainly stating facts is unheard of and utterly scary – this direction was called instead a “continuation”). Given this position of mine and since preservation or cheapened replacement were indeed the only directions in great demand otherwise, things came to various heads and different more or less noisy dramas but when all those passed as well, there was mostly silence left and otherwise… going back I suppose, what forwards.

Perhaps one way to look at it now would be to simply say that it finally came to be indeed that there is no more use to it that I can see. After all, the Young Hands Club blog is unused since June and the irc chan has some use – if I use it, pretty much. This in itself wouldn’t be enough reason for me 1 to close it down and move on, since learning and sustainable self-improvement are just as needed today as they were last year, while the places that help and support that are just as scarce (or even scarcer) now than they were last year. It is however not at all the same time now as it was last year and I am more now than I was then, for the full experience of it. There’s a lot gained from the experience with the project itself over this relatively brief but intense past year, as well as from all the further explorations (some published, most unpublished) that I did as part of it. As a result, I am quite satisfied that this project in its current shape has helped as much as it could but has reached now its end, clearly enough. I’ll state it plainly too that I don’t bear anyone involved any ill will at all. Each came when they needed help, got what they could out of it, learned as much or as little as they could figure out and then moved on (or even moved back) as their own revised interests pushed them to, whether acknowledged plainly as such or not. I wish them all good luck and all the best in what they are doing now.

If and when I get involved to this degree again with helping others learn, it will take indeed a different shape and most likely it will be on a different scale as well 2 because part of the reason this ends here is precisely the fact that the uncovered problem is of such nature as to require a mass solution if there is indeed any solution to it. The one to one, highly personalized interaction may be in many ways great but it’s not going to ever do enough by itself as things currently stand and so I’m simply ending the Young Hands project now, so that it doesn’t drag on beyond its usefulness and doesn’t keep anything or anyone tied up to it in any way, for no good reason. This being said, the significant advantage of direct relationships built to any degree for real is that they can endure and grow beyond and outside of any project-frame as such – if and only if both parties put in the effort required for that to happen, of course.

In practical terms, I’ll get around some time to update the shared blog’s About page and turn off any logins but I’ll keep it all still online and accessible at younghands.club at least for a while so that if anyone wants to mirror it, they can. I’ll leave my irc client on and I’ll still be around at times in #ossasepia and in #eulora but not all that often and certainly not so reliably at the same hour every day any more 3. I will probably turn off/devoice all the bots in #osassepia for the time being too, as there is little point indeed in logging just blog feeds or the like.

If you want to talk to me, a simple comment here on the blog will do – after all, I’ve been here for more than 10 years already and unless I unexpectedly die one day soon, I’ll still be here for years to come, while countless others come and go, as others before them came and went having as they did all the consistency, substance and self-direction of dust blown about by the wind.

  1. It’s called staying power, dedication, commitment, at times even stubbornness. All sorts of words that once had a well-known meaning through common practice.[]
  2. For what it’s worth and if it’s any consolation to anyone, I rather think this will actually happen, although in a few years from now rather than next month or anything of this sort. Some things take time and some things moreover *have* a time of their own, too.[]
  3. For direct communication over the network, I still consider irc the best currently available solution and so I rather expect I’ll come back to it at a later time but only if and when other projects require it indeed.[]

September 1, 2020

#ossasepia Logs for Sep 2020

Filed under: #ossasepia,Logs — Diana Coman @ 6:09 pm
Day changed to 2020-09-01
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/king-ralph/ << Trilema — King Ralph [18:09]
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/09/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Sep-2020/ << Ossa Sepia — #ossasepia Logs for Sep 2020 [18:13]
Day changed to 2020-09-02
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/maria-full-of-grace/ << Trilema — Maria full of… grace [06:09]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/one-day/ << Trilema — One day [10:30]
Day changed to 2020-09-05
jfw: diana_coman: I can't commit to taking on the irc to chat-apps-du-jour bridging project presently. Things are moving forward on JWRD's infrastructure build-out deal and I expect that work to heat up again soon; meanwhile my hands are pretty full otherwise. [21:08]
diana_coman: jfw: no worries and rather happy to hear that the jwrd deal is moving forward. [21:09]
jfw: thanks. I'll let you know if things change such that I can revisit the project. [21:10]
diana_coman: sure, it can't hurt, although I rather expect things will change regarding the project itself, too. [21:12]
Day changed to 2020-09-06
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/09/06/moving-on/ << Ossa Sepia — Moving On [20:33]
cruciform: diana_coman, I just wanted to say thanks for your help, attention and advice through Young Hands; thank you! [20:53]
diana_coman: cruciform: no problem at all; did anything come out of it for you? [20:54]
cruciform: yes – I got a better understanding of how inadequate, lazy and languorous I am [20:56]
diana_coman: well, I do hope you dress up for it too then, at least from time to time. All that has its own requirements of attire if nothing else! [21:02]
cruciform: lol [21:03]
cruciform: the tuxedo's been in the closet since pre-plague, so it's not even been a stylish indolence [21:05]
diana_coman: ah, no, no, it goes back quite a few years before that, more of those times when everyone looked at men's legs rather than women's. [21:06]
cruciform: how far back are we talking – Georgian? [21:07]
diana_coman: ah, I suppose george 4th might serve, indeed. My mind went of course across the channel though, there's something to be said for the French in such matters. [21:10]
cruciform: I suppose it is a bit odd that women tend to be the peacocks, nowadays [21:12]
diana_coman: what else can they do, you know? [21:13]
diana_coman: (and for that matter, hm, there's always Italy, that land where women have to work hard to only keep up with men's creams and perfumes and the like, not sure it's any better!) [21:14]
cruciform: ah, yes – there's a wonderful Italian perfume critic – Luca Turin; has an unreal ability to put scent into words [21:18]
cruciform: I was wondering – would you consider keeping my Young Hands login active? [21:20]
trinque: diana_coman: just wanted to pop in and say that I have a great deal of respect for you, and wish you well in the future. [21:21]
diana_coman: trinque: thank you. I'll always gladly hear from you! [21:23]
diana_coman: cruciform: I would, if I see a good reason for it. Do you want again to write there? [21:25]
jfw: diana_coman: in case my own dedication/stubbornness doesn't say it clearly enough already I also offer my thanks for the time & attention given through YH. [21:25]
cruciform: very much – I've been putting it off again and again [21:26]
trinque: diana_coman: I'll continue to be a reader of your blog, for sure, and will chime in there sometime. [21:26]
jfw: cruciform: what stops you from setting up your own blog? [21:26]
cruciform: jfw, mostly technical know-how [21:27]
diana_coman: jfw: my pleasure; (and yes, in your case it did say it already clear enough; for that matter you are the one and only member of the club as it were!) [21:28]
jfw: cruciform: so maybe you have now a reason to pick up some of that? :) [21:28]
cruciform: jfw, yes! [21:28]
trinque: also I have to say that as a part-Italian mutt, my bathroom drawer of lotions feels singled out! [21:29]
trinque: must be in the blood, lol [21:29]
diana_coman: cruciform: for starters it's as simple as this: if I see a published article there at least 2 times per week, I won't turn off the login of that author. [21:29]
cruciform: diana_coman, thank you [21:30]
diana_coman: trinque: who knows, maybe at the time of 2.0 you give a try to eulora too. [21:32]
trinque: sure, I'll be looking out for it [21:33]
diana_coman: (and lol @ lotions, I never quite figured out to what degree it was a cultural thing only, for sure!) [21:33]
trinque: I just don't see how having fine things became "gay" [21:36]
cruciform: trinque, indeed – I get constantly ribbed by friends/hit on by gays for dressing up [21:37]
diana_coman: eh, it "became gay" only in that sense of "those not having fine things gathered together and decided that having fine things is bad-for-you" [21:37]
trinque: fact [21:37]
diana_coman: cruciform: you know, now you'll have to add at least 1 picture per month to those articles too. [21:43]
cruciform: diana_coman, lol, deal! [21:44]
diana_coman: thank you all for popping in today, I'll need to go offline though in a few minutes; as mentioned, I'll still be around from time to time so sooner or later I'll read anything left in here anyway. [21:49]
Day changed to 2020-09-07
lobbes: diana_coman: likewise, I'd like to once again thank you for all your help over the years. I'll certainly be a continued reader of ossasepia and will be keeping an eye on euloran development [03:18]
lobbes: I'll probably end up mirroring YHC before the end of this month. I'll post a link once that is complete [03:19]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/guys-things-attestament-of-life-times-oceanside/ << Trilema — Guys & things, attestament of life & times, oceanside [08:21]
diana_coman: lobbes: no problem. [16:06]
Day changed to 2020-09-08
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/the-dusts-of-days-a-consolation/ << Trilema — The dusts of days, a consolation. [20:36]
Day changed to 2020-09-10
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/my-first-mister/ << Trilema — My first mister [12:44]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/aaaalge-bra/ << Trilema — Aaaalge-bra [18:18]
whaack: diana_coman: Thank you for all the effort you put into younghands. I hope from the mentor side you got a fraction of what I got out of it. I'll still try to get out the block explorer project, and hopefully will find a way to revive my blog. I'll also try to put some time into playing Eulora when 2.0 comes out. [19:34]
Day changed to 2020-09-11
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/11/waking-up/ << Young Hands Club — Waking Up [02:11]
diana_coman: whaack: no problem. [14:08]
diana_coman: Those already having an Eulora account have/have had quite some time to figure out both how things work and what sort of things could be done with it all far beyond "putting some time" into a game. [14:12]
diana_coman: not that this option saw much use, but stating it for the record anyway. [14:13]
Day changed to 2020-09-12
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/desperation-in-desolation-or-the-woes-of-the-contemporary-entrepreneur-or-what-came-of-my-first-attempt-at-running-the-second-generation-eulora-client-ornery-in-any-case/ << Trilema — Desperation in desolation ; Or, the woes of the contemporary entrepreneur ; Or, what came of my first attempt at running the second generation Eulora client. Ornery, in any case. [20:09]
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/09/12/eulora-logs-for-Sep-2020/ << Ossa Sepia — #eulora Logs for Sep 2020 [20:13]
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/12/credenda-agenda/ << Young Hands Club — Credenda, Agenda [23:24]
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/12/credenda-agenda/ << Young Hands Club — Credenda, Agenda [23:33]
Day changed to 2020-09-13
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/night-and-the-city/ << Trilema — Night And The City [06:51]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/i-go-out-walkin/ << Trilema — I go out walkin… [18:58]
Day changed to 2020-09-14
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/14/ossasepia-log-notes-1/ << Young Hands Club — Ossasepia Log Notes 1 [03:14]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/ben-doesnt-get-fingered/ << Trilema — Ben doesn't get fingered [03:18]
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/14/dg-agenda-20200914/ << Young Hands Club — DG Agenda 2020.09.14 [03:26]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/the-magic-johnson-and-other-stories/ << Trilema — The Magic Johnson and other stories [18:24]
cruciform: deedbot, hi! thanks so much for your most recent advice! [18:45]
cruciform: I may be derping, but it appears some logs are missing from the ossasepia records? For example, the last entry for July 2019 is the 19th, whereas asciilifeform's log viewer shows, eg. logs for the 30th of that month [18:48]
cruciform: *diana_coman, hi! :P (greetings to deedbot, too) [18:51]
diana_coman: cruciform: how is that the last entry? look http://ossasepia.com/category/logs/ossasepia/ [18:53]
diana_coman: and mind that dates/times are a matter of where the bot runs so they might not match (ie a line may be recorded by one bot to be on the 19th while another bot considers it on the 20th) [18:54]
diana_coman: anyway, full logs for July as far as I can see e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-20-Jul-2019/ so dunno, learn to look properly first and use that category for all it's worth? [18:54]
diana_coman: is away from keyboard. [18:55]
jfw: looks like an out-of-order import so the next/previous links don't always work, and the ordering in the category shows as jul-aug-jul-sep. [18:57]
cruciform: aha, I was indeed derping (searching for June, rather than July…) – may be more tired than I thought :P [18:58]
cruciform: diana_coman, jfw – thanks for the clarification [18:58]
Day changed to 2020-09-15
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/14/ossasepia-log-notes-2/ << Young Hands Club — Ossasepia Log Notes 2 [00:41]
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/15/dg-agenda-20200915/ << Young Hands Club — DG Agenda 2020.09.15 [02:45]
Day changed to 2020-09-16
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/the-pishtar-gate-cathouse/ << Trilema — The Pishtar gate cathouse [00:46]
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/15/ossasepia-log-notes-3/ << Young Hands Club — Ossasepia Log Notes 3 [00:59]
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/15/dg-agenda-20200916/ << Young Hands Club — DG Agenda 2020.09.16 [01:27]
dorion: diana_coman, thank you for being you. I've read your article and the #o log. while I've not seen vacation as mp asked, I'm reminded that's pretty much what I've been on since returning to vermont. [21:03]
dorion: on the bright side, the light at the end of the tunnel has been the deal jfw and I are closing this month (which we've been waiting on since july (there coulda/woulda/shoulda been other deals, but hence the vacation)). [21:03]
dorion: we're contracting ourselves to weekly reports to the client, so the muscles we developed with you and young hands will be flexed. [21:04]
dorion: thank you also for keeping yourself available as long as you have. while it was a bit of shock in the moment for mp to close tmsr, I'm thankful I don't have to consider where I would have been without you. [21:04]
dorion: upon a moments' reflection it made sense when he did it, just as your communcation makes sense. [21:04]
dorion: whether or not I will deal with that sense in a rational manner is for me to decide and prove. [21:05]
dorion: I'm sorry diana_coman for the promises I've made to you that I didn't deliver on. part of me wants to say more, but I'll rest on the fact you're pretty consistent in evaluating actions and those simply speak for themselves. [21:05]
diana_coman: dorion: you are very welcome. [21:06]
diana_coman: and I'll gladly hear from you, of course. [21:07]
dorion: I like ossasepia.com's header photo today, btw. [21:08]
diana_coman: dorion: heh, that's in Lugano and yes, it kind of stirs some memories [21:08]
dorion: ah I see. is it a cafe ? bakery ? looks like the arches are being repainted for the nth time. [21:10]
diana_coman: ha! those in the back are salamis! enormous and tasty but ..salami and sausages and the like [21:11]
diana_coman: it was a side shop, there's a street with arches like that [21:12]
diana_coman: the arches-style is quite common in that area (roughly speaking tyrol but svizzera italiana might take offense at that) [21:12]
diana_coman: and yeah, there are …slabs of chocolate to be had there too, but what can I say, I like sausages better than chocolate, lol [21:14]
dorion: my misperception there was lulzy. sounds like a cool street. [21:16]
Day changed to 2020-09-17
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/16/ossasepia-log-notes-4/ << Young Hands Club — Ossasepia Log Notes 4 [00:22]
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/17/initial-thoughts-on-trilema-log-linking-problem/ << Young Hands Club — Initial Thoughts on Trilema Log-Linking Problem [02:12]
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/09/17/dg-agenda-20200917/ << Young Hands Club — DG Agenda 2020.09.17 [02:36]
cruciform: hi, diana_coman! [20:02]
cruciform: May I ask you questions, here; what is the nature of our relationship post-moving on? I’m very grateful for your continued help, but don’t want to presume anything. [20:04]
diana_coman: hi cruciform. So don't presume and all is well & easy, lol. Other than that though: questions can always be *asked*, how would that part even be somehow depending on anything else? Note that not asking is never really anything other than protecting your own fear of "what if the answer is not what I like to hear" (silence/rejection included), [20:18]
diana_coman: the pickle however is that if you do *not* ask, you'll… never know the answer, either. [20:23]
cruciform: aha, so I can be safely ignorant, or else take a risk and speak up [20:24]
diana_coman: here, found the ref, it's 200% valid for asking too : http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-29-Oct-2019/#1008057 [20:25]
sonofawitch: 2019-10-29 17:55:51 (#ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, speak, there's nothing worth keeping that you might lose just for the speaking; quite the opposite [20:25]
diana_coman: "safely" as in maintaining the illusion of safety, that's about it. [20:25]
diana_coman: and with that illusion, maintaining as well (even growing) the fear(s). [20:25]
diana_coman: anyway, to make it crystal clear: anyone can ask anything, there's no way *that* somehow magically "can't be done"; it's your action so you can do it. [20:26]
diana_coman: whether I answer or what or when or so on, is my action though, true enough. [20:27]
cruciform: I didn't want to give the impression that I thought you were obliged to answer – or otherwise (seem to) be impertinent [20:28]
diana_coman: you can't control impressions, you know? but I can set your mind at rest there: I don't feel obliged to answer questions in general like that, no, I'm kind of too old (or not British enough perhaps) for that sort of thing. [20:29]
cruciform: phew :) [20:29]
cruciform: so [20:29]
diana_coman: as for the rest, sure, so don't ask impertinently, easy. [20:29]
cruciform: makes sense! I'm probably spinning/inventing problems [20:30]
cruciform: but, is there any sense in my asking about the nature of our relationship? [20:30]
diana_coman: if you want something, you'll have to ask for *that* so be more precise there. [20:33]
cruciform: for example, I have categories for friend/relative/lover etc., with defined behaviours for each – erm, what category does our relationship fall into – student/teacher? [20:34]
diana_coman: ahahah [20:34]
cruciform: :P [20:35]
diana_coman: alien category! [20:35]
diana_coman: now what? [20:35]
cruciform: yes, I thought it might be uncategorisable, or at least one unknown to me [20:35]
diana_coman: you seriously are telling me that you have a sort of internal/mental 3 ring binder with "defined behaviours for type of… relationships"? [20:36]
diana_coman: lolz [20:36]
cruciform: well, in the least autistic way possible [20:36]
diana_coman: and so if all of a sudden you encounter in this horribly mean world the…alien, what do you do? "error!" [20:37]
cruciform: but, you know – I'd call my boss "sir", and not tell dirty jokes to someone's grandma – that sort of thing [20:37]
diana_coman: some grandmas might love them though [20:37]
cruciform: back to speaking up and taking risks! [20:37]
diana_coman: and I'd rather bet some grandmas know dirtier jokes than you. [20:37]
cruciform: lol [20:38]
diana_coman: this sort of "living by the book-of-rules" is not altogether very… sane, how to put it. [20:38]
cruciform: what's a better way? ad-hoc play it by ear? [20:39]
diana_coman: sure, be *aware* of context and knowledgeable but that is an entirely different thing; quite in the same way that learning something is quite different from memorising a pattern of "solving" [20:39]
cruciform: If I take time to respond, it's because it often takes me 5 goes to parse what you're saying (incidentally, this is only the case with your/MP's text) [20:41]
diana_coman: getting back to your original question: the more logical thing for you is to figure out what you want it to be and then what to do for that. [20:42]
cruciform: I thought you might say that! [20:42]
cruciform: is this a causes/purposes thing? [20:42]
diana_coman: as the saying goes: so you are not *entirely* an idiot! [20:43]
cruciform: lol [20:43]
cruciform: one other thing, is the correct pronunciation of your name "DEE-ana", as opposed to "DIE-ana"? [20:44]
cruciform: (a Romanian corrected me) [20:46]
diana_coman: it is but once again, I lived in enough places to not be bothered by ~any of that. [20:46]
diana_coman: somewhere in the logs I linked once a video with the pronounciation , as someone else asked, I don't quite recall who. [20:47]
diana_coman: cruciform: re earlier question – it's more an active/passive thing first of all than causes/purposes. [20:47]
cruciform: what can *I* do to define our relationship, rather than what is done to me by you? [20:49]
diana_coman: ahaha [20:49]
diana_coman: figure it out, you know? [20:49]
cruciform: :p [20:49]
cruciform: yes – food for thought! [20:49]
cruciform: ok, I shall ruminate over the above; thanks for your help! [20:50]
cruciform: gets back to work [20:50]
diana_coman: no problem [20:51]
diana_coman: cruciform: if it's any help, note perhaps that it tends to be easier to figure out what one does *not* want; arguably it's more important too, anyway. [21:13]
diana_coman: is afk [21:13]
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cruciform: diana_coman, is the bitcoin foundation still the reference implementation of TRB, or are they deprecated, on account of negrating? [21:57]
sonofawitch: 2020-06-06 20:58:55 (#ossasepia) diana_coman: well, at least TBF's status is quite clear now although apparently I have to go fish it out and add it to the record since those involved are too busy calling me names but not to my face; by the ponder of words in tbf's log apparently asciilifeform runs now the foundation in any case and jurov practices his hand at [21:57]
cruciform: also, would you kindly recommend an OS to attempt the installation on? I've had a look around republican blogs, and am having trouble finding a known-working one [23:10]
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diana_coman: cruciform – a reference for *whom*? In the absolute like that aka "the" reference, there isn't such thing anymore and not because of my negrating but simply because there is nothing to back such claim of "the reference". So now it's each with whatever they consider their own reference(s) and up to each to figure out what is worth what and why and so on. [09:07]
diana_coman: Sure, you'd like some clarity (just as you wanted it before with the relationship status here and all that) but note that *all that time when crystal clarity has been available and freely offered* you… were busy, found problems and faults with it and stayed away from it. So no, it's not "just like before only in just those parts that are convenient for me to consider or ask for". [09:09]
diana_coman: with this, the moving on is finally done for #ossasepia too: I devoiced everyone and removed all flags from all bots, feel free to take them offline as there isn't going to be any use for them in here. [09:57]

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