| mircea_popescu: | interestingly, my product and the numina are now... diff qualities! | [00:33] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (72h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [01:12] |
| lobbesbot: | A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (8h55) >>> 1003 SG q843 | [01:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (15h12) >>> 13212 CR q74 | [01:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (34h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [01:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (35h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [01:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 242.36mn total bids --- | [01:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooo, 300 clicks on a ~650k bundle, ie about 200mn run. 230mn bv return, 38\% conversion rate. | [01:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | coulda been worse, i guess o.I | [01:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | but basically, the large pop acounts for half the run. | [01:33] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (71h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [02:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (7h55) >>> 1003 SG q843 | [02:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (14h12) >>> 13212 CR q74 | [02:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (33h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [02:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (34h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [02:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 242.36mn total bids --- | [02:13] |
| diana_coman: | o.O 121m, congrats mircea_popescu | [02:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty! | [02:24] |
| diana_coman: | one way of looking at it is therefore that the CSW run was...too short/ too little value at a paltry 40mn | [02:25] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [02:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | who even knows | [02:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | if it helps anything the pop was like, 3rd click in or so | [02:27] |
| diana_coman: | ahahah, lol | [03:05] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (70h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [03:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (6h55) >>> 1003 SG q843 | [03:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (13h12) >>> 13212 CR q74 | [03:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (32h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [03:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (33h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [03:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 242.36mn total bids --- | [03:13] |
| hanbot: | !Qauction 60mn 72 130 q450 IST | [03:34] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 212 STARTED by hanbot: 130 q450 IST Opening: 60mn coppers Ending: 2018-06-17 07:34:59 UTC (72 hours) | [03:34] |
| hanbot: | <diana_coman> hanbot, danielpbarron what tokens do you sell and for how much? << ^^ :D | [03:35] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (69h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [04:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (5h55) >>> 1003 SG q843 | [04:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (12h12) >>> 13212 CR q74 | [04:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#212 O=60mn HB=No bids E=06-17 07:34:59 (71h21) >>> 130 q450 IST | [04:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (31h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [04:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (32h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [04:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 242.36mn total bids --- | [04:13] |
| diana_coman: | !Qbid 212 60m | [04:38] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 212: 130 q450 IST Heard: 60mn from diana_coman Ending: 2018-06-17 07:34:59 UTC (70 hours 56 mins) | [04:38] |
| diana_coman: | not as if there really is any choice | [04:38] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (68h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [05:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (4h55) >>> 1003 SG q843 | [05:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (11h11) >>> 13212 CR q74 | [05:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (70h21) >>> 130 q450 IST | [05:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (30h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [05:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (31h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [05:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 302.36mn total bids --- | [05:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | yo Mocky | [09:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw diana_coman you got a pile of used cs ? | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I have but no idea what they are worth even | [09:08] |
| diana_coman: | atm I set up fox to make a pile of srs, kind of curious how it goes overall from some 30k of boulders and such | [09:09] |
| diana_coman: | she gets q200 when she gets any srs | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | nb. | [09:10] |
| diana_coman: | ftr mining seems at least to clear up a bit: noobs get ~only basics and usually same thing at a fixed spot; at same spot, foxy gets at least 4 resources and usually she gets the same basic only rarely | [09:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | interesting. | [09:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | i did manage wpl at the tuber spot. | [09:11] |
| diana_coman: | re q and bv, noobs get ~90\% what they put in with foxy's bundles & tool; q is capped though based on claim type and/or tool used (i.e. even foxy will not get higher q) | [09:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | so like, same claim will have a q, irrespective of who digs it up ? | [09:12] |
| diana_coman: | intermediate miners get interesting i.e. they get high q like fox on basics so 200 on boulders but \% goes down bv | [09:12] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, not quite, no | [09:12] |
| diana_coman: | that holds only above a certain qabv of bundle put in | [09:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [09:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | even moar interesting | [09:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (64h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [09:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (0h55) >>> 1003 SG q843 | [09:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (7h11) >>> 13212 CR q74 | [09:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (66h21) >>> 130 q450 IST | [09:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (26h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [09:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (27h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [09:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 302.36mn total bids --- | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | i.e. if you put shit in, you'll get shit out,but you can't just force it upwards through bundle alone above some value | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, q20-q30 is relatively easy to get in large quantities (it should be easy when some bot is available, atm that's the problem really) | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | but at the same time it's unclear that one really gets what they put in and even then logically speaking it's still suicide to sell it below the cft price | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | sure, some pops hopefully rebalance | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | and then you can say that it would work | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | and the thing with q being capped is that then it ...doesn't quite help higher q cft for this job | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | (it DOES help, but for higher bv items) | [09:15] |
| Mocky: | mircea_popescu, good morning | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe it also matters who ~finds~ it | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | hm, so far 360 clicks on sr -> 245 sr q200 | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, how's the bot ? do i get to go mining ? | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, maybe; but the trends are still the same everything else equal; i.e. fox will always get higher q on cs-claim than on tool-claim regardless who gets them | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, i did like 50k sr's worth of srs clicking last week sometime, got it q265. if you actually need some i can sell. | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | effect of tool atm seems stronger than that of person, not that it means that one can't also be present | [09:18] |
| Mocky: | i'm testing a candidate now. I'll let you know shortly | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | im really itching to test some of these theories nao | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | I'll ping if I end up needing some; I'm merely trying to figure out what to do with resources really, whether to craft or to sell | [09:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | adding to the trouble ofc is the fact that one of the medium crafters would probably even do better than fox with *her* bundles | [09:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | you mean miners ? | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | but a. it's a pain to make the bundles and then pass on because they are heavy b. it's unclear re xp and /or pops | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | nope, crafting; fox makes srs bundle; intermediate crafter gets q99 but reliably at least 3 per click | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | so do the antique electron bundles count as low q at 2kish ? | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, crafter in what ? tinkerer ? | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | fox gets mainly numina, except now and again when she gets whatever | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | tinkerer, yes | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait numina from mining ?! | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, all this last part is on crafting | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh oh | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | actually talking of it: hanbot danielpbarron any market for myst. rocks and murky somethings low q? | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie you want ot buy them ? | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | no, asking them if they want such things | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I worded that weirdly | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | a a | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | i trhink they go in some sacrifices | [09:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | tho i dun recall if i ever saw the sup. | [09:23] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but dunno if they want low q and it's mainly like that they come out of mining in any useful quantities | [09:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | typical. | [09:23] |
| diana_coman: | in some way; it's still not same as boulders low q, lol | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's so cute how the bag diamond is now the mark of the active crafter. | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | bag diamond? | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | ah, ah, the fact the bot keeps dropping /picking up the ingr | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | and holy shit what a month, 120mn pop and i'm barely #3. | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> so do the antique electron bundles count as low q at 2kish ? <- for remark, myeah | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | and how fucking expensive they were... | [09:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | 40, 50mn one. | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | for ords it might be all right for basics, not sure (I think I had finished the one for basics ages ago) | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | well, what can I tell you, I still have a big collection of them + some sizables even, not that I ever got a sizable, lol | [09:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, i have a bunch of sizables. >300mn each. | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i mean... ords yes ? 3-400k each ? can't fucking possibly be small, this, can it ? | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much value do you usually pack into an ord bundle ? | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | it is not small, no; but remember re q | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | remember those 10mn eps? | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... q2500. | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | no ? | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | or how many they were, all q 3 or whatevs | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... so you figure if danielpbarron had an even bigger bundle he'd have gotten higher q grass ? | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait, i thought you just said bundle doesn't matter ? | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | for q. or was it builder doens't matter ? | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-06.log.html#t20:55:35 | [09:46] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2018-06-06 20:55:35: <diana_coman> with bundle q2000 no less | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts. | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, would you read? | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | I said it does not matter ABOVE some stuff | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | what! i'm reading, i'm reading. | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes, but that was q1. | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | i.e. you can't push quality up beyond some point by bundle q alone | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | yes and that was a remark | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | not a small, not a tiny, no idea where the bounds are for that one | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | not even an ord, lol | [09:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, so are you saying he couldn't have pushed it past q1 ? or are you saying he'd have had better q with somehow even larger bundle ? | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | the latter | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | see the experience with sg ord | [09:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | how to make larger bundles is of course an open exercise. | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | I got q800 iirc from sg ord with q8000 own-made bundle | [09:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | ha! | [09:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course... maybe that claim would have given i dunno, q700 with a q2000 bundle | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | but I won't get anywhere near that with electron's bundles | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | doubt it | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | maybe not q50 , sure, but not that close, no | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course... my siz bundles are onl;y actually q 1500 | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I suspect they are essentially shit | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | well, as danielpbarron got all q1 even on grass iirc | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | then again, better this shit than no shit; possibly | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah he got like half a billion blades. | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | iirc I even predicted he'll likely get q1, yes; precisely because all the above | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... if it were tlc or wm or something, a half bn q1 would have been the shizzle. | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | but as it is i dunno there's enough bps in all eulora to even burn it all. | [09:50] |
| diana_coman: | until it's not, but sure | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | leaving aside how it'd burn into mostly low q tink numina, which doesn't seem to be in demand so much. | [09:50] |
| diana_coman: | logically speaking it would get mixed up | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. but to get half bn grass q1 to even something like q 100 you'd need... | [09:51] |
| diana_coman: | well yes | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qcalc 1.99 * 60 * 500 | [09:51] |
| lobbesbot: | mircea_popescu: 59700 | [09:51] |
| diana_coman: | dunno, used as filler; in leaky shoes :P | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | ^ 60 BILLION bv grass. | [09:52] |
| diana_coman: | eh, a couple of herds of microgoats I supposed | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | tho im finding low q bps an invaluable cutting feed. | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe same will be true of grass. | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | in the following sense : if the difference between clicking qx and clicking qx-1 is known to the crafter to be something relevant, like say 1\% less returns (or conversion rate, or something) | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | then the value of that -1 in x-1 can very well exceed the cost of the qty of q1 stuff that's required to produce it, by 2, 3 degrees of magnitude. | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, to put some numbers re mining speed: ~20k boulders took a few hours only and that because of lacking bot; sort of matching crafting I suppose, if only it weren't that ~everyone is crafting | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, note also that in principle highly skilled crafter can simply pack more per bundle and sell it to lower skilled crafter who might get this way a cheaper high q bundle than bundling himself high q stuff | [09:55] |
| diana_coman: | but all those seem to be too much trouble atm or something, not used in any case | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | point in case : if woa bp q 30 gives 38\% conversion and woa bp q 29 gives 36\% conversion, considering the bundle is like 600k this means 12k worth of extra woa per click. the worth of 12k woa being like 30k ecu, that q point shaved makes one 30k. | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | the material cost to shave 1 q point is about 1/30 of a q1 bp, and so each q1 bp is worth, by this calculation, 1mn ON TOP of whatever a bp of q30 is worth. | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | aha, that's the iffy part with selling q1 bps | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, the 1mn premium per blade may well not stand up for grass ever. however... it doesn't take MUCH premium in eq value to push the \% price of a qabv 0.6 ECu up a lot. | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, 50 ECu is already 10000\% | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | nominally even at market rate they are worth shit; in reality they are way more useful than that | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, amusingly, my q 16 cons bps sold for ~same as your q70 common bps. | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm guessing a lot of math still has to be done. | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | but those may be some of the best spent 3mn in the history of the game. | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | that is about the only certain thing in there, yes | [09:58] |
| diana_coman: | looked at q1 acg bps to sell and then ran into this trouble there: not worth at market price, not clear how much otherwise, won't sell | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the other side, i only got high q acg bps, won't click. wut do ? | [09:59] |
| diana_coman: | you know I sold acg bps lower q and daniel got them or something | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you ? | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought you sold me 900 gins | [10:00] |
| diana_coman: | that too, lol | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, i only figured out the above last night, on the woa run | [10:00] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, if I get those tokens, hopefully I'll make more cons bundles, click, get more bps etc | [10:01] |
| diana_coman: | and sell them, as I won't be able to make all of them anyway | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | how many tomes you got ? | [10:01] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, there is that part where each one has to piss on the fence by themselves or otherwise it seems it's too expensive to be for real or something :P | [10:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ikr. | [10:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is ~why i wanna go mining. | [10:02] |
| diana_coman: | keeps warmly inviting and encouraging mircea_popescu to get off his ass and go mining already | [10:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, mocky is preparing a candidate. i hope she has big tits. | [10:03] |
| diana_coman: | re tomes I'll be making more anyway as I'd rather try to get them higher q | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. i'm all out. | [10:03] |
| Mocky: | no, itty bitty | [10:03] |
| diana_coman: | tit-mining might work better | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky what !? WHY! | [10:03] |
| Mocky: | still growing, maybe they get big, who knows | [10:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | preteen mining bots wtf is this scandal. | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, maybe smaller is better for all that digging, running... :D | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | i burned myself once with simona halep's girlmeats, but... i learned nothing from the experience. | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | BIGGER IS BETTER WOOOAAAAHhhh | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | lol; they'll grow, the man said | [10:08] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 208 has ENDED: 1003 SG q843 SOLD to mircea_popescu for 6.2mn coppers. Attn: diana_coman | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | 700 srs clicks in and I got 546srs + ~22k tpf all q200; at least the tpf will go into lapidary I guess | [10:09] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (63h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [10:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (6h11) >>> 13212 CR q74 | [10:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (65h21) >>> 130 q450 IST | [10:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (25h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [10:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (26h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [10:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 296.16mn total bids --- | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, so how about 2x bv + 1k for your worn cs ? | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | guess it sounds all right; I'll rummage for them once this srs run is done, ok? the rest of the auctions should finish too by then I guess | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | or at least the cr one, huh | [10:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [10:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | what rest ? the sg just sold, above. | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | funny stuff with that cr: I had entirely forgotten and mixed it all up for the csw run; so I went and got more + mix to that specific q ; it took the boys about 2 hours | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, the cr | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | 6h ?! | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah come on, take a break what. | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | lmao | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | didn't know you wanted them NOW | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | ook | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | plox. | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | !Qcalc 2*545*269+2*1098*270+1000*(545+1098) | [10:23] |
| lobbesbot: | diana_coman: 2529130 | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | o.O | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, trade | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | that right ? cs + sg | [10:25] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, I can't take the sg right now out, it'll take ages | [10:25] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, lemme see | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | i won it!1111 | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | yay | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | tyvm | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | thanks! | [10:27] |
| diana_coman: | who even knew I had ~2.5mn ECu in worn-out cs,lolz | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | ikr. | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | dun dun dun | [10:52] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (62h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [11:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (5h11) >>> 13212 CR q74 | [11:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (64h21) >>> 130 q450 IST | [11:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (24h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [11:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (25h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [11:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 296.16mn total bids --- | [11:13] |
| diana_coman: | o.O gst eh? congrats | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | dun dun dun! | [11:32] |
| Mocky: | mircea_popescu, http://mocky.org/files/eulora-v0.1.2-foxybot-mocky4.tar.gz | [11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite, doing these clicks an' hitting it. | [11:40] |
| Mocky: | sha512 e13fcc046883365afc11cb3b2932258c008ef938cdd51f2a67b3f0ad9166cf31b2363e41b7258eddb6466839156d2020f637a0bceab713d84c9288c42dd8b66f | [11:40] |
| Mocky: | crosses fingers that mysteriously unfindable craft table gets found | [11:41] |
| Mocky: | if it is still unable to find the table, it will dump what it sees as full inventory contents to bot window, so may include better clues | [11:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty, jamming. | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, so, materials should be in inv yes ? | [11:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, craft table not found o.O | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, got 1 tiny nt produced q51, got 1 tiny boulder produced q 100 o.O | [12:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | 52 tubers q51 and 106 boulders q101. | [12:01] |
| Mocky: | mircea_popescu, did it spew inventory listing? | [12:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope | [12:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, where do i look for it ? | [12:06] |
| Mocky: | it should say, at top of foxy bot window "craft-table Not found. Looking closer." followed by a line with slot# and contents for each thing in inv, followed by "craft-table Not found again. Table will not be used." | [12:07] |
| Mocky: | may need to scroll it up | [12:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | says not such thing. | [12:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | says NOT found for one thing, all caps like that | [12:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | says "NOT found" for one thing, all caps like that. | [12:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | and there's no "looking closer". | [12:09] |
| Mocky: | sounds like my new code's not running. I changed those messages. | [12:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | but, it says it twice | [12:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is new. | [12:10] |
| Mocky: | im at a loss | [12:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | > OutputMsg(csString("Craft-Table NOT found. Resources WILL be mixed.")); | [12:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | no looky, that'sa what you put in ther.e | [12:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you give me the wrong files ? | [12:11] |
| Mocky: | lemme check | [12:11] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (61h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [12:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (4h11) >>> 13212 CR q74 | [12:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (63h21) >>> 130 q450 IST | [12:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (23h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [12:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (24h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [12:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 296.16mn total bids --- | [12:13] |
| Mocky: | the botactivity.cpp I linked to does not contain the word 'mixed' | [12:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | confirmed | [12:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | wtf... | [12:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | re-jamming, this is bizarre enough | [12:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | ...found 1833 target(s)... | [12:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | ...updating 323 target(s)... | [12:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it ~should~ actually. | [12:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, here's the problem : | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | In file included from src/client/foxybot/botactivity.h:15, | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | from src/client/foxybot/foxybot.h:19, | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | from src/client/cmdusers.cpp:64: | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | src/client/foxybot/worldhandler.h: At global scope: | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | src/client/foxybot/worldhandler.h:79: error: extra qualification \u0091worldHandler::\u0092 on member \u0091RemoveObject\u0092 | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | g++ -c -o ./out/linuxx86/optimize/src/client/cmdusers.o -I. -I./include -I./src/client -I./src/server -I./src/common -I./src/tools/wordnet -I./src/tools/breakpad -I./src/tools/breakpad/third_party/linux/include -I. -I./include -pipe -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -march=i686 -mtune=generic -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -g2 -O3 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -Wdisabled-optimization -I/home/mircea | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | /dev/cs/include -I/home/mircea/dev/cal3d/include src/client/cmdusers.cpp | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ...failed C++ ./out/linuxx86/optimize/src/client/cmdusers.o ... | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ...skipped euclient for lack of <src!client!>cmdusers.o... | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ...failed updating 1 target(s)... | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ...skipped 1 target(s)... | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | it skips the actual binary, which is why old code. | [12:20] |
| Mocky: | initially i was expecting problems like this | [12:21] |
| Mocky: | looks at these | [12:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | static void worldHandler::RemoveObject(EID eid); << | [12:22] |
| Mocky: | 'void' qualifier not needed i'm guessing | [12:23] |
| Mocky: | oh 'worldHandler::' not needed | [12:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [12:25] |
| Mocky: | strange visual c++ dun care about that, i gotta get off this | [12:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | ...skipped libfoxybot-0.0.a for lack of libfoxybot-0.0.a(botstorage.o)... | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | ...skipped euclient for lack of foxybot... | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is pretty well broken o.O | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | src/client/foxybot/botstorage.cpp: In member function \u0091bool botStorage::RetrieveNext(csString, int64_t, int64_t)\u0092: | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | src/client/foxybot/botstorage.cpp:123: error: \u0091SendWithdrawRequest\u0092 is not a member of \u0091worldHandler\u0092 | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm guessing the issue now is that i have fragments of two bots mixed otgether. | [12:32] |
| Mocky: | looks like | [12:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway ; i'll get back to this later, kinda overrun its window. | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, basics, yeah; fox gets q200 out of basics more often than not | [12:33] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (60h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [13:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (3h11) >>> 13212 CR q74 | [13:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (62h21) >>> 130 q450 IST | [13:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (22h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [13:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (23h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [13:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 296.16mn total bids --- | [13:13] |
| hanbot: | <diana_coman> actually talking of it: hanbot danielpbarron any market for myst. rocks and murky somethings low q? << notrly. | [15:17] |
| diana_coman: | k, good to know, at any rate | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, i reconstructed your bot ; complied it correctly ; if finds the table now, and mines. | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | it gets confused as to which table to use if it has multiple, though, you realise. | [15:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | beautifully came back for table when it was too far. | [15:49] |
| diana_coman: | if it relies on /drop only, that one is original idiotic client: it will drop *one* table but god knows which one (it's not the first, nor the last nor...; iirc we even wasted some time on this before, should be in the logs) | [15:49] |
| diana_coman: | coming back for the table is brilliant really | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | wowza diana_coman ! i use diff lbn counts for wpl and basics! | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought his bot is broken at first, but no | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | in the fox vs cor mini-test: fox got 1.3mn out of 2.2mn over 1102 clicks | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, uhm, how is that news? | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | prolly for each branch | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | (foxy does at least) | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | news to me lmao | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | i.e. some number for basics (and prolly WAAAY higher) , some for mining, some for lj etc | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | backtrack: cor got 288k out of 352k over 178 clicks | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | 60\% vs 81\% | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | and he got already 577 srs q97 while she got in *total* 751 srs q200 | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | 5 lbn for wpl and 11 for pss and 24 for f | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | by the time he does 1102 clicks he'll have a few thousand srs no problem | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, there's a bug whereby gets stuck in run mode. | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | same bundles q430, same bps q55 | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, is 5 lbn max there? | [15:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | for wpl ? | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | yes, for wpl | [15:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | fox can use 7-11 for groceries (wpl incl), 8-12 for mining | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | what q wpl did you get with those 5? | [15:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, another bug is that sometimes i get tailings (two quals off the same stick) and it loses those in inv. | [15:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, 29 | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | o.O | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | what ? | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | actually hrm, iirc it's ~34q more usually so makes sense | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | lol, 43 | [15:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, aaand it died -- too far from the table, got too much wpl, is stuck. | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | the ways in which eulora will get a poor bot stuck | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | it did 17 attempts ; during these it set to running and i had to rescue it manually 3 times ; it failed to dig up (because it was out of range) 3 tiny claims too. | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | sounds weirdly like a ..dog! :)) | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | and it produced two different stacks lost in inv through the procedure of "they weren't all same q so they didn't stack whern took from claim" | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, lol! | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | i also got some 227 228 wpl too | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | nice; from tiny? | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | or from small? | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | and uhm, some as in 200 of them or some as in ...10 | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2 | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | from small i think | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | 479 F too | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | nice, flotsam mini. 1k q50 | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | sounds familiar | [16:06] |
| diana_coman: | might be that you get more small claims I suppose | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand it's dead on move 13 -- overweight, doesn't know what to do with the nt | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | got some 60 tubers, the stacks in table are 70 and 113. | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, this is some primo bizrre shit, i can't interact with table which is ~right here~ | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, might be the object clash thing | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | or one on top of the other | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | i.e. you click and client sends the id of a ghost table | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | instead of the right one | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | it does happen, it drives me crazy when mining | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, it let me pick it up! | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's no ghost table here tho | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | so then I don't get it, how can't you interact if you CAN pick it up? | [16:09] |
| danielpbarron: | i would buy skill items but don't auction them now; i'll be gone for a week | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno! | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | it wouldn't let me put items in it, even after re-targetting it. but it let me pick it up. | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, k | [16:11] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (57h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [16:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (0h11) >>> 13212 CR q74 | [16:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (59h21) >>> 130 q450 IST | [16:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (19h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [16:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (20h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [16:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 296.16mn total bids --- | [16:13] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I even got wpl q 608 from small, yeah; but...1! | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, dead again, this time while trying to build a tiny with no error message. | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suspect the problem is that a key it had in inv from prev failure turned to lbn, and the 1 lbn prevents it from seeing the 14k stack | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand it didn't recover when i manually built for him. | [16:17] |
| diana_coman: | that sounds very likely | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | this time ended up with 35 pss lost in inv because table was too far when it tried to put it in, then it stepped back to recover it but forgot about the pss | [16:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | aanyway, i'm calling this off for now, moar work needs to be done. lemme know if you need specific somethings. | [16:22] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 209 has ENDED: 13212 CR q74 SOLD to mircea_popescu for 860k coppers. Attn: diana_coman | [16:25] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, ready to collect the cr? | [16:32] |
| Mocky: | oh hey, mircea_popescu, bot finds table. let me look thru these problems | [16:54] |
| Mocky: | mircea_popescu, re: gets confused about which table - yeah it's still doing /drop, i haven't changed that part yet. added to list | [16:57] |
| Mocky: | re: stuck in run mode, you mean it did the full number you specifed and kept going? | [16:58] |
| Mocky: | re: second (nth) qual off same stick ignored, i've got update in the works re 'stage one' quality handling | [17:00] |
| Mocky: | re: "too far from the table, got too much wpl, is stuck." curious how this happened, should drop table and then mine without moving | [17:01] |
| Mocky: | re: using wrong lbn, current algo is search inv top to bottom each time. should it be instead prefer items that were present at startup? | [17:05] |
| Mocky: | anyhow, thanks for the testing and all the feedback! | [17:06] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, re lbn it should search all inv and pick from whatever stack it has enough | [17:06] |
| diana_coman: | rather than find first and get stuck if that's not enough | [17:07] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (56h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [17:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (58h21) >>> 130 q450 IST | [17:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (18h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [17:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (19h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [17:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 295.3mn total bids --- | [17:13] |
| Mocky: | oh, I see it now. was thinking merely low quality issue, but quantity as well | [17:20] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (55h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [18:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (57h21) >>> 130 q450 IST | [18:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (17h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [18:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (18h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [18:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 295.3mn total bids --- | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, i am. | [18:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, stuck in run mode i mean it started to move for next claim and never stopped, but explored while moving. if i wasn't there it'd have gone over cliff | [18:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | "prefer items that were present at start-up" is not even a bad strat. | [18:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | but diana_coman has a good point, useful mostly in crafting : if stack it has ain't enough, add rest from another stack | [18:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | enjoys his day of 100\% top domination. | [18:20] |
| lobbesbot: | A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (54h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310 | [19:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (56h21) >>> 130 q450 IST | [19:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (16h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70 | [19:13] |
| lobbesbot: | A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (17h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70 | [19:13] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 295.3mn total bids --- | [19:13] |
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