| hanbot: | !Qbid 128 400k | [00:09] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 128: 27 Questionable Flagon q167 Heard: 400k from hanbot overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2017-07-30 23:17:20 UTC (163 hours 7 mins) | [00:09] |
| lobbesbot: | A#128 O=300k HB=400k E=07-30 23:17:20 (162h41) >>> 27 Questionable Flagon q167 | [00:35] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 400k total bids --- | [00:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | evidently, i pinged the wrong people :D | [01:34] |
| lobbesbot: | A#128 O=300k HB=400k E=07-30 23:17:20 (161h41) >>> 27 Questionable Flagon q167 | [01:36] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 400k total bids --- | [01:36] |
| diana_coman: | well, I don't have any woa bps although I even have some flagon bps so not really sure about it | [02:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | mostly doing a price check. | [02:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw i'm mostly done with my woa run, so ima make a pile of IO next. | [02:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | after which im thinking a bunch of shaped slags and basic tools. | [02:15] |
| diana_coman: | Fox finished all the woa anyway, went out to dig with cs at least | [02:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | should i sell more ? | [02:15] |
| diana_coman: | there is always more space for cs | [02:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | i meant moar woa. not sure i'm set up to make cs atm | [02:16] |
| diana_coman: | ah; I can eat more woa too, sure | [02:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | lessee ehre | [02:17] |
| diana_coman: | I guess on Wednesday after update I'll start some intermediate-crafter on a cons, not much choice | [02:18] |
| diana_coman: | otherwise I'll surely run out of cft bps at some point | [02:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | 797 woa q 237 ? or is that too much in one go | [02:18] |
| diana_coman: | o.O | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | I guess it'll keep me busy for some time though; resulting lvl2 numina will be needed at some point anyway | [02:33] |
| diana_coman: | so yeah, I'll take it | [02:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | alright then. | [02:33] |
| diana_coman: | ofc fox is ...digging with a cs, ugh | [02:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 797 * 2.37 * 18.7 /208 / 2.35 | [02:34] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 797 * 2.37 * 18.7 /208 / 2.35 = 72.26318126022913 | [02:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | you got 70mn in jingle ? | [02:34] |
| diana_coman: | yes, lol | [02:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite, trade then! | [02:34] |
| diana_coman: | fox ...is ...out...diggin' | [02:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah ah right. | [02:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, ping me when convenient. | [02:35] |
| diana_coman: | will have to ping later when this cs finishes | [02:35] |
| diana_coman: | will do | [02:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | you got leather btw ? sr ? f ? | [02:35] |
| diana_coman: | yeah; although sr+f low q | [02:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't so much care. sb ? | [02:35] |
| lobbesbot: | A#128 O=300k HB=400k E=07-30 23:17:20 (160h41) >>> 27 Questionable Flagon q167 | [02:36] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 400k total bids --- | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | will look | [02:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [02:36] |
| lobbesbot: | A#128 O=300k HB=400k E=07-30 23:17:20 (159h41) >>> 27 Questionable Flagon q167 | [03:36] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 400k total bids --- | [03:36] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, now? | [04:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman ya | [04:29] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, f, sb, sr q1 plenty but on donkey so will need separate trade | [04:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | tyvm | [04:30] |
| diana_coman: | thanks! | [04:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | np ill be around ping m,e | [04:30] |
| diana_coman: | how much f,sb etc you want? | [04:30] |
| diana_coman: | donkey is here, needs to drop tables and log out,lol | [04:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, 100k ? | [04:30] |
| diana_coman: | might even have at least f, lol | [04:31] |
| diana_coman: | 10 stacks, should be | [04:31] |
| diana_coman: | I was selling basics at 195\% though; that fine? | [04:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [04:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [04:33] |
| diana_coman: | lol; no? | [04:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | only q 1s though ? | [04:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes yes, just, i also want some higher q stuff. | [04:33] |
| diana_coman: | this is all q1 yeah | [04:33] |
| diana_coman: | hm | [04:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, can you pump it up ? | [04:33] |
| diana_coman: | I have some sb some q41 I think, but not such huge quantities | [04:33] |
| diana_coman: | not those quantities, no | [04:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | ideally i'd want say q 10 -15 | [04:33] |
| diana_coman: | and trouble is that...no cft bps | [04:33] |
| diana_coman: | basically I can get whatever quantities, but only once there is some clear way of replenishing cft bps | [04:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [04:34] |
| diana_coman: | eats a lot of cft | [04:34] |
| diana_coman: | and the ords take all sort of rare shit | [04:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | which ords only took shaped slag ? | [04:35] |
| diana_coman: | heh, that's exactly what I was looking at, but they tend to be not-basics for some reason | [04:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | "some reason" ya | [04:35] |
| lobbesbot: | A#128 O=300k HB=400k E=07-30 23:17:20 (158h41) >>> 27 Questionable Flagon q167 | [04:36] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 400k total bids --- | [04:36] |
| diana_coman: | heh | [04:36] |
| diana_coman: | dcs, pn, pss, rr, sb | [04:36] |
| diana_coman: | there is sb I suppose | [04:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | tell you what, sb i want higher q anyway to make decent cs. | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | still takes some eps but at least not st | [04:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | so dig up your sb ords ? | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | mk; do you have some sharp slag? | [04:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't, but i'll put it top of the list | [04:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | will soon start making ltf then io then ss | [04:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much total you're looking at ? | [04:38] |
| diana_coman: | well, it takes 25 sharp slag per ord so I guess at least a few hundreds | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | those lucky bastards can get ords quite easily anyway | [04:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | i was planning on making a stack. | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | can't hurt | [04:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | will take a few weeks though. | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | hopefully it won't take also a large markup | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | because then it kind of falls through or pushes the price up | [04:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'll have to figure it out, lengthy craft line hard to guess | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | that's the thing: q1 is fine and plenty | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | anything higher than that can easily get iffy | [04:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeh but can't quite use by itself | [04:41] |
| diana_coman: | what can I say | [04:41] |
| diana_coman: | tbh I have those stores of q1 mainly for future mixing, they were not meant to sell/use as such | [04:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [04:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda my thinking also, i could buy, but couldn't really use. | [04:42] |
| diana_coman: | I'm not even sure they are worth selling as such: I mean there is very little money in it as such and then there's a lot of carrying them around | [04:43] |
| diana_coman: | so best used as input | [04:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah | [04:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | and how about leather ? | [04:44] |
| diana_coman: | that is..painful; gotta take it out of storage, lol! | [04:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | also q 1? | [04:44] |
| diana_coman: | some 3k q16 | [04:45] |
| diana_coman: | loads q1, yes | [04:45] |
| diana_coman: | since there was no interest otherwise I started from bottom systematically filling first q1, lol | [04:45] |
| diana_coman: | the easy bit | [04:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [04:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | meh, leather is kinda like sb, i'd rather want 40-50 | [04:46] |
| diana_coman: | meanwhile I kind of figured out how to get all sorts of q, but while figuring out I also started depleting all sorts (aka cft bps, non-basics for ords, ord bundles etc) | [04:46] |
| diana_coman: | not yet depleted fully, but seeing the bottom of the sack as it were | [04:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [04:47] |
| diana_coman: | scary stuff :P | [04:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, shaped slags i'll be able to make a bunch, that might help. what other stuff is neededf for ords ? | [04:47] |
| diana_coman: | io | [04:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | also will make a lot. | [04:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have this all lined up, mats ready, just need to click | [04:47] |
| diana_coman: | the rest are really just rares, not much to do there | [04:48] |
| diana_coman: | is looking happily on the ton of dm | [04:48] |
| diana_coman: | if only I had similar quantities of all the rest,lol | [04:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, actually re sr+f -> won't it make more sense to just buy ibs for instance? | [05:20] |
| diana_coman: | iirc that was the thing: not much of a case for fox to sell basics as such; way more sense to sell 1st level crafted items | [05:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got plenty of ibs atm | [05:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda what happened, made slag and ibs, ran out of stocks. | [05:25] |
| diana_coman: | hm | [05:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | 12 stacks ibs for io + 5 or so for flagons, burned as you can imagine a lotta f/sr | [05:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | coupla stacks of slag idem | [05:27] |
| diana_coman: | well, I sold you all that f and sr, lol | [05:27] |
| diana_coman: | so yeah, I can imagine | [05:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty much yeah hehe | [05:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyay, not necessarily against buying ibs etc, in general. | [05:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | slag actually, if you want to craft. | [05:28] |
| diana_coman: | what seems potentially iffy is simply this cycle of selling basics and then buying highly processed stuff at a markup that is not clear is actually less than if fox made the whole chain; not fully clear yet | [05:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dun recall, wasn't it clear with cft ? | [05:29] |
| diana_coman: | with cft it was clear that fox is better off making it, yeah | [05:29] |
| diana_coman: | but cft is as simple as it gets | [05:29] |
| diana_coman: | not really same for io | [05:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah it was ? | [05:29] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [05:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought it was teh other way around | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | no; I was stupid and bought cft before doing the calc, yeah | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | when I did them it turned out that...idiot | [05:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [05:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i somehow recall selling cft very cheaply. | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | might seem cheap, lol; still... | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-26.log.html#t08:57:44 | [05:31] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-05-26 08:57:44: <diana_coman> hmm, mircea_popescu have a look at this: did some calculations and it turns out (unless I got something wrong, ofc!) that foxy's sweet spot re tink cft would be using grass q8; with bps 194q, she turns 24 cdg into 7 cft q 50! which is apparently ...better than buying the cft | [05:31] |
| diana_coman: | there | [05:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-26.log.html#t09:00:00 what i found meanwhile | [05:31] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-05-26 09:00:00: <diana_coman> it's totally unclear that the 17 additional q points of cft really are worth the markup | [05:31] |
| diana_coman: | same, no? | [05:32] |
| diana_coman: | aka mircea makes cft slightly better, but at a higher markup | [05:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 1.7 / 9999 / .68 | [05:32] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 1.7 / 9999 / .68 = 2.5002500250025E-4 | [05:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 1.7 / 9999 / .68 / 60 | [05:32] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 1.7 / 9999 / .68 / 60 = 4.167083375004167E-6 | [05:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 1.7 / 9999 / .68 / 180 | [05:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [05:33] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 1.7 / 9999 / .68 / 180 = 1.3890277916680558E-6 | [05:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok so i was selling cft at 139\% | [05:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 24 * 60 * .08 * 1.95 | [05:33] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 24 * 60 * .08 * 1.95 = 224.64 | [05:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 7 * 180 * .5 * 1.39 | [05:34] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 7 * 180 * .5 * 1.39 = 875.6999999999999 | [05:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc (875.7 - 224.64) / 1.94 / 18 | [05:34] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: (875.7 - 224.64) / 1.94 / 18 = 18.64432989690722 | [05:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | so yeah, with bp up to 1864\% you're better off crafting than buying huh. | [05:34] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [05:35] |
| lobbesbot: | A#128 O=300k HB=400k E=07-30 23:17:20 (157h41) >>> 27 Questionable Flagon q167 | [05:36] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 400k total bids --- | [05:36] |
| diana_coman: | trouble is that I think this would logically be likely the case for all lvl1 crafts, no? | [05:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 575.7 / 7 / 180 | [05:36] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 575.7 / 7 / 180 = 0.4569047619047619 | [05:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 575.7 / 7 / 180 / .5 | [05:36] |
| diana_coman: | which at same time would mean that selling basics would make sense only for ...surplus basics or something | [05:36] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 575.7 / 7 / 180 / .5 = 0.9138095238095238 | [05:36] |
| diana_coman: | or sort of "I'm running out of bps" | [05:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | so basically... unless cft actually sold for 91\%, you'd still be better off crafting. | [05:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts. | [05:37] |
| diana_coman: | I think that's the skill basically | [05:37] |
| diana_coman: | too skilled to buy stuff | [05:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | or maybe we misjudge bp value | [05:37] |
| diana_coman: | because adding value while crafting | [05:37] |
| diana_coman: | maybe | [05:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems unlikely we misjudge anything else, like say marginal utilityu of higher q. | [05:38] |
| diana_coman: | well, looming lack of cft bps would support the idea that value of bps likely higher than we think | [05:38] |
| diana_coman: | there is that | [05:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, cft ain't never gonna sell for 90\%, that's fo sho. | [05:39] |
| diana_coman: | ahahahah, yes | [05:39] |
| diana_coman: | spirover still buys it at 100\%, so ..yeah | [05:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | so logically this calculation would rather indicate cft bps can't sell for less than 1300\% or so. | [05:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc (7 * 180 * .5 - 224.64) / 18 / 1.94 | [05:40] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: (7 * 180 * .5 - 224.64) / 18 / 1.94 = 11.608247422680414 | [05:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1160 to be precise. | [05:41] |
| diana_coman: | onth I can't help but thinking there would be some sense to the implication that higher skilled crafter is better off prolly buying lvl1 ingredients and crafting higher levels rather than crafting from scratch but maybe more as a matter of limited time rather than a hard thing like this | [05:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe. | [05:41] |
| diana_coman: | well, they aren't selling nao for anything, lel | [05:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | im going to click some grass now to see this wonder. | [05:41] |
| diana_coman: | quite expects things changed meanwhile | [05:41] |
| diana_coman: | meanwhile fox clicked a dcs ord with a 315k bv bundle so she's stuck for next hour at least | [05:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. 24 cdg q 1 makes me 9 cft q 17. | [05:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc (180 Ã\u0097 9 Ã\u0097 .17 â\u0088\u0092 24 Ã\u0097 60 Ã\u0097 .01) / 2.02 / 18 | [05:46] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. | [05:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc (180 * 9 * .17 - 24 * 60 * .01) / 2.02 / 18 | [05:46] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. | [05:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | da fuck. | [05:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc (180 * 9 * .17 * 1.39 - 24 * 60 * .01 * 1.95) / 2.02 / 18 | [05:47] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: (180 * 9 * .17 * 1.39 - 24 * 60 * .01 * 1.95) / 2.02 / 18 = 9.755940594059407 | [05:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | so basically, at 139\% i'm actually losing moneyz. | [05:48] |
| diana_coman: | lol! | [05:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, depends on what cft bp is, but if it's 1000\% then yes a little. | [05:49] |
| diana_coman: | it might be though that meanwhile your sweet spot changed | [05:50] |
| diana_coman: | did you re-calc that? | [05:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope. | [05:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | too involved and i've not different q's of grass. | [05:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you wanna supply me some high grass ima mix it into values. | [05:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | byt tomorrow -- now im for bed. | [05:51] |
| diana_coman: | good night | [05:51] |
| lobbesbot: | A#128 O=300k HB=400k E=07-30 23:17:20 (156h41) >>> 27 Questionable Flagon q167 | [06:36] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 400k total bids --- | [06:36] |
| lobbes: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-07-24.log.html#t09:33:18 << looks like thats the cheapest it has ever gone at (recorded) auction too: http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/view.php?ItemSHC=cft&TimeLookback=&Quality=&QualityWidth=&SortBy=overbase_desc | [13:40] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-07-24 09:33:18: <mircea_popescu> ok so i was selling cft at 139\% | [13:40] |
| lobbes: | By the way, is there interest in being able to record "off-auction" transactions to be included in the above price data? Something like !Qsold <item> <price> <quality> <quantity> <[optional] sold to>? | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | probably not, because you don't know what's going on. | [13:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | if it's not open outcry it'll just end up people manipulating the price. | [13:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | lobbes do you want something like... market.minigame.bz for that link ? | [13:45] |
| lobbes: | Good point re: manipulation. Harder (sometimes impossible) to validate hearsay | [14:16] |
| lobbes: | Re: using market.minigame.bz, that sounds good to me. | [14:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite, i forget, what did it need ? delegate to ns, which ? | [14:33] |
| lobbesbot: | A#128 O=300k HB=400k E=07-30 23:17:20 (148h41) >>> 27 Questionable Flagon q167 | [14:36] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 400k total bids --- | [14:36] |
| lobbes: | Hm, this may be a bit trickier because the box is home both to that tool as well as my personal blog. I'll have to review my configs (and refresh myself on the basics) and get back to you. | [15:24] |
| lobbesbot: | A#128 O=300k HB=400k E=07-30 23:17:20 (147h41) >>> 27 Questionable Flagon q167 | [15:36] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 400k total bids --- | [15:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | no biggy. | [15:47] |
| lobbesbot: | A#128 O=300k HB=400k E=07-30 23:17:20 (146h41) >>> 27 Questionable Flagon q167 | [16:36] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 400k total bids --- | [16:36] |
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