| DianaComan: | Birdman, I'll buy 2 polished stone ords | [08:24] |
| Birdman: | <Birdman>kk 160k yes? | [09:08] |
| DianaComan: | mk, I'll take that and see how it goes, yes | [09:09] |
| Birdman: | when you use birdco brand ords, customer service is #1 | [09:09] |
| Birdman: | ill make two ords right next to npc hill | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O 80k an ord ?! | [09:09] |
| Birdman: | yes | [09:09] |
| DianaComan: | that's what he wants saying that it will give tons | [09:09] |
| DianaComan: | I quite doubt it but I want some data on it | [09:10] |
| Birdman: | they gave me tons | [09:10] |
| DianaComan: | your tons are low q | [09:10] |
| DianaComan: | so tell me as value to calc | [09:10] |
| Birdman: | i dont think the claim itself has anything to do with output | [09:10] |
| Birdman: | my out put on my smalls mirrored dans | [09:11] |
| Birdman: | well the output i got from dans smalls i mean, not dans output | [09:11] |
| Birdman: | im thinking if you havent seen the quantities i have it has to do with your q bundles, and wyrd as a builder | [09:12] |
| Birdman: | idk what ratio you guys hit ords at either but my price might be pretty reasonable | [09:13] |
| Birdman: | how often could you really be hitting ords on difficult stuff like wm | [09:14] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, my q bundles are higher than yours from what you say, so it doesn't make a lot of sense; but I'll get those 2 and give here the numbers for everyone to see; I'm fine throwing away this money to get the numbers | [09:15] |
| DianaComan: | ftr though, keep in mind that on moss for instance it is clearly *cheaper* to just build my claims with wyrdmantis and give him his share than to either buy it from you or buy your ords | [09:16] |
| Birdman: | if thats your plan why dont you do this with sb | [09:16] |
| Birdman: | thats the most recent i did before leveling | [09:17] |
| Birdman: | ive not done a pss | [09:17] |
| Birdman: | DianaComan yes until you run out of them | [09:17] |
| DianaComan: | out of what? | [09:17] |
| Birdman: | sm ords | [09:17] |
| DianaComan: | oh, no, on smalls even | [09:18] |
| DianaComan: | no chances of running out of them | [09:18] |
| Birdman: | yeah but thats the most profitable thing you can be doing with your time? mining sm smalls | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | this discussion became bizarrely circular. | [09:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | in any case, /me is looking forward to that data. | [09:19] |
| DianaComan: | well, that's MY problem there Birdman , what's it to you? I decide on that; in any case, if the alternative is to pay you some insane prices, it can quickly become profitable | [09:19] |
| Birdman: | fair enough | [09:20] |
| DianaComan: | so do you have those 2 ords Birdman ? | [09:20] |
| Birdman: | in any case are you comparing the numbers you/wyrd gets from my claims to yours? or the output from me to you/wyrd | [09:20] |
| DianaComan: | I calculated how much it cost me per moss to get it with wyrd including what I pay him + inputs etc (and even the cs at 30k as that's what I'd get for it otherwise) -> compare that with the price for your moss | [09:21] |
| Birdman: | so im mining you pss ords? | [09:22] |
| DianaComan: | lolz, didn't I say yes above, I want 2 pps ords? | [09:22] |
| DianaComan: | do you have them? | [09:22] |
| Birdman: | about 1/3 through the second one buy the way | [09:22] |
| DianaComan: | ok | [09:22] |
| Birdman: | lol wut | [09:23] |
| Birdman: | how can you compare the two? | [09:23] |
| Birdman: | are you sure sm ords wouldnt be better to find out the cost per moss from me? | [09:23] |
| DianaComan: | ? | [09:23] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, trade me when ords are ready better | [09:25] |
| Birdman: | you got it | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i'm making a large pile of srs here, will be done in ~day. this is a precursor for both ft/cs and cws/aw lines. what's the economy prefer ? more cs ? more wine ? | [09:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | are y'all more drunks than religious zealots or the other way round ? | [09:30] |
| Birdman: | more cs | [09:30] |
| Birdman: | whats the difference | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | didn't i just sell you like 100 hits' worth coupla days ago ? you burning them this fast or just storing ? | [09:30] |
| Birdman: | i got ~87 left after adding the 61 to your batch | [09:31] |
| Birdman: | maybe a few in storage, mining a bunch of ords for dan | [09:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha what's it even take to use that many sticks, two days ? | [09:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw DianaComan is it true the new bot can mine with cs ? | [09:32] |
| Birdman: | well its like 7 min a use for me, 10 or so to level twice before needing to train, i just let it go in the background while i go about the day | [09:32] |
| DianaComan: | it should, yes, as you can set the timeout to whatever it takes | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah kinda how i do it too Birdman | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | 87*7 = 609 so it's like 10 hours of perfection. | [09:33] |
| Birdman: | ill definitely need more soon | [09:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | the thing is, after buying all that sb from you i have enough ppb to make ~300 sticks (that\'s like 450 uses) | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | HOWEVER i don't have the 3k high q pss this would require. | [09:34] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu, same here basically | [09:34] |
| DianaComan: | hence the try on pss ords | [09:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [09:35] |
| DianaComan: | and I'd rather have high q pss as I still have high q ppb even... | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah | [09:35] |
| DianaComan: | and the toothpaste doesn't make such a huge diff even if it is only 110q | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | nor does the pss really. | [09:36] |
| DianaComan: | 1st Birdman-famous ordinary got me 63 pss (15 at 116q + 48 at 117q); bundle q 113 as pointy slag at 110 (that's what I make now ) | [09:40] |
| Birdman: | compared to.. | [09:40] |
| DianaComan: | compared to what? I'll calc in a sec the price per pss that follows; will build second one too | [09:41] |
| Birdman: | also the whole point of buying in ord off me is because its cheaper to get one from me than to mine it yourself, and if the smalls then are more profitable because of my price you're probably reducing the money/time you can actually make saving that time doing something else | [09:42] |
| DianaComan: | it is NOT cheaper, lol, that's the thing | [09:42] |
| Birdman: | how much do you expend before you find an ord? | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | 63 * 1.17 * 262 = 19312 base | [09:43] |
| DianaComan: | I'll use in a sec a cs possibly - if I get a small that gives me 50 pss I'm basically better off as 7 threads are far less trouble than pointy slag + 16 pss + 7 moss | [09:43] |
| Birdman: | never claimed his ords will or do produce more than anothers | [09:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | whatever the bundle cost, 15k or so at q 100 | [09:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | o was this small ? | [09:43] |
| DianaComan: | no, this one from Birdman was an ord | [09:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | a ok | [09:43] |
| DianaComan: | so 126 pss in total from the two ordinaries | [09:48] |
| Birdman: | sounds pretty bad | [09:49] |
| DianaComan: | costs: 14k each bundle at base value, make that 14k*1.13 about 16k each | [09:49] |
| DianaComan: | so 16k+80k you want for 1 ord = 76k for 60 pss | [09:50] |
| DianaComan: | you know what? it's WORSE than if I mine with hoes, lol | [09:50] |
| Birdman: | how much did you make? | [09:51] |
| DianaComan: | when/where/what, lol | [09:51] |
| Birdman: | off of the whole thing, profit | [09:51] |
| danielpbarron: | what's the economy prefer ? more cs ? more wine ? << wine | [09:52] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, you mean: 126Ã\u00971.16Ã\u0097262 - 32000 - 160000 = â\u0088\u0092153706 ? | [09:53] |
| Birdman: | but i guess you shouldnt be buying pss ords is what that says, and we should agree that its not about money, its about money/time | [09:53] |
| Birdman: | you came out in the red huh | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron how much q 140ish wine'd you buy ? | [09:53] |
| DianaComan: | not that it wasn't expected really | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan reported results sound much in line with expectation tbh. | [09:53] |
| DianaComan: | my conclusion is that no, your ordinaries are not worth what you are asking for them and I have the data to show me that, so I put it to rest | [09:54] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu, yes, quite | [09:54] |
| Birdman: | id say thats a pretty hasty conclusion | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, IF you think a 50 pss / ord as the baseline, by my own current thinking it'd make the "fair" value of the hit something like 3 * 50 * 1.17 * 262 = 45981, of which if your bundle was 20k mkt value, the claim is left worth 20k+ | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is borne by many disparate other assays, which is why i'm current;ly thinking an ord claim is prolly worth 20 to 30k | [09:55] |
| DianaComan: | yes, 20k is ok for an ord really | [09:55] |
| DianaComan: | that's what I was selling them for too iirc | [09:55] |
| DianaComan: | an ord non-basic | [09:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you ever run numbers to see if stick ords are more common for basics than non basics btw ? | [09:55] |
| DianaComan: | well, Birdman kept claiming that he gets "tons" (I suspect base value in fact is in line with above, but he never gave that in clear) - hence, I gave it a try | [09:56] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, 100 | [09:56] |
| danielpbarron: | assuming you charge 125\% | [09:56] |
| Birdman: | yeah, you dont get tons because your building is insanely high, thats what you were trying to prove? | [09:56] |
| DianaComan: | kind of a mess now to really calc because of all the changes, but I could run it anyway just like that I suppose | [09:56] |
| DianaComan: | no Birdman , lol | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron aha so 3-4mn base. ok, i think i have enough srs in the making here to fulfill both needs. | [09:57] |
| DianaComan: | what I prove is that it's not worth 80k, that's all | [09:57] |
| Birdman: | heh well explain please i wanna understand this | [09:57] |
| Birdman: | ah | [09:57] |
| DianaComan: | and if 116q is insanely high.... | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan the thing with him is that if he gets 1/4 your q he then perhaps gets 4x your count, maybe a little less, but because my shop still pays a decent coin for it he makes good ecu. | [09:57] |
| Birdman: | well ords right now are really more for over craft but i suspect if you had the skill to make mining harvest worth a damn the results might be different | [09:57] |
| DianaComan: | yes, that's fine for him, I don't dispute that | [09:58] |
| DianaComan: | let him do that | [09:58] |
| DianaComan: | sure | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it wouldn't surprise me if the fair value of trhe claim to him is say 3.8x22 = 80k ish | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | numbers come from my own belly, but i think illustrative. | [09:58] |
| DianaComan: | what can I say, inflated prices for resources due to lack of noobs I suppose | [09:59] |
| Birdman: | ^ i did assumed the people buying the ords would be using noob mining | [09:59] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, I need high q stuff, not low q | [09:59] |
| DianaComan: | otherwise I can happily use noob mining on my own claims | [09:59] |
| Birdman: | well the goal is money right? getting tons of stuff you can sell qi is a good start to bank roll future projects | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ow shit, cws is not JUST needed for wine. tm too. | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan what do you project your so consumption at ? | [10:00] |
| DianaComan: | atm I would need it only for the wheels and it's still on hold really so not sure what to say about that | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk. | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | is just trying to not grossly misallocate resources. | [10:01] |
| DianaComan: | yeah, not an easy task | [10:01] |
| Birdman: | DianaComan do you get more from an ord of your own? | [10:04] |
| DianaComan: | prev xp would suggest around the same bv, slightly higher even Birdman, haven't really mined many after the recent q drop though | [10:20] |
| Birdman: | so you'd need ords to cost 5k to turn a profit? | [10:21] |
| Birdman: | or break even rather | [10:21] |
| Birdman: | i think you may just need a larger sample size or mining just isnt your thing or something | [10:21] |
| DianaComan: | ? see above the calc for 50/pss as baseline | [10:21] |
| DianaComan: | anyway, possible, yes | [10:22] |
| Birdman: | <DianaComan>Birdman, you mean: 126×1.16×262 - 32000 - 160000 = -153706 ? << 150k/2 ords is -75K a piece | [10:22] |
| DianaComan: | kk, make that -150k there then | [10:23] |
| DianaComan: | not huge diff | [10:23] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron im just gonna stop at ~ 6 wm and lotus ords till you tell me what you want | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | here's the problem with the 20k ord tho, thinking about it. suppose i run a 100 cs batch. suppose i get x smalls and y ords, x+y=100. now, the smalls baseline is necessarily going to be under 20k each. from experience it may well even be under 1k each. this means that if x is say 5x y (not so uncommon) then 80\% of your run will result in 10\% of the payoff. if you then go and sell y ords at 20k each you've just guaranteed yours | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | elf a 80\% ish loss, while you've also guaranteed the buyer a significant profit (provided it is true that your 100 cs run evens out, then by selling the ords you transferred most of the value) | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | recalls at some point hiring DianaComan by the stick USE, paying i dun recall what it was 16k ? | [10:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's a very different deal than 20k per ord | [10:27] |
| Birdman: | so you're saying 20k is under valued considering most cs uses end up smalls which are net losses? | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am saying that arguments can be broughgt on both sides. | [10:29] |
| Birdman: | since i dont produce my own cs, 20k is just a loss in general with my 99\% hit rate or whatever (only missed 3 times on beetles) | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | the thing is, from observing you and other noobs, as well as vets playing : it would appear that the one thing noobery does is limit variance. something like this : if a noob goes out with a hoe, each 170 decay comes back to him as say 150 to 190 worth of claim. so you get all smalls. a vet might get something like 50 to 1mn worth of claims. so he CAN get stuff even above ordinary. but he can also come back with 1/3 of his mon | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | ey. | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | so in this sense, noobs selling ords for 20k seeing how that's what a cs costs is maybe reasonable. | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman that missing thing is very weird. i have never missed a stick yet. done maybe 4-500. | [10:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dun recall either diana or daniel ever missing one, and they in turn, did maybe as much or more. | [10:32] |
| Birdman: | i missed 4 in total, 3 times on the beetles in that short time, but also once with an off hand use | [10:32] |
| Birdman: | this is the thing with me though, i dont hit tinies, and have a worse hit rate with tools | [10:32] |
| Birdman: | i probably wont have decent chances hitting remarks as you were saying, but i wont hit smalls with the cs | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you ever get an ordinary mining with basic tools ? | [10:33] |
| Birdman: | yes, only twice though | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | twice in how many ? | [10:33] |
| Birdman: | the entirety of my leveling | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah but what base value of tool is that ? | [10:34] |
| Birdman: | whatever you had been selling me and foxy | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | sigh | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you got say 2 ords in 20-50 tools worth (up to say half a mil base) then there goes that theory. | [10:35] |
| Birdman: | oh right, i cant begin to estimate the number of tool bv it took | [10:35] |
| Birdman: | but it was a shit load | [10:35] |
| Birdman: | on the other hand it gave alot of value in 100\% smalls | [10:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | is that a metric shitload or an imperial shit load ? | [10:36] |
| Birdman: | heh | [10:36] |
| Birdman: | i think you're on to something with the limit of variance, though has there been any other noob gathering happening? im closing in on lvl 150 now and still only smalls and near 100\% hits with cs getting ords | [10:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, maybe wyrdmantis can weigh in | [10:38] |
| Birdman: | give that man some tools and have him go get grass | [10:38] |
| Birdman: | id like to think my guy is great at gathering but if its the game making up for noob status that would really suck | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... more research needed. | [10:40] |
| Birdman: | wyrdmantis when you have some free time ill give you a few picks and a cs for free to go mine grass with | [10:44] |
| Birdman: | oh and also have alot of work for you if you need it | [10:45] |
| fghj: | Hello. Mr. Popescu I'd like to request eulora account. | [11:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha one second fghj | [11:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj http://dpaste.com/39C110K | [11:59] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: dpaste: 39C110K (at dpaste.com) | [11:59] |
| Birdman: | Welcome aboard fghj, when you get in game ping me here and ill give you some work and give you a basic run down of some game mechanics | [12:00] |
| fghj: | Ok, this will take several minutes because some dude with nick starting with ascii and ending with lifeform gave me paranoia | [12:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | also say when you're in town, ima give you a few starter items. | [12:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha wut ? | [12:02] |
| Birdman: | lol | [12:13] |
| Birdman: | anyways, keep me posted on when you join opportunity calls | [12:14] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu will you sell me some grass/bn/tpt of good q? | [12:14] |
| Birdman: | or dcs if you have it much higher than q45 | [12:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dont have any dcs, looking to buy it | [12:35] |
| Birdman: | then the high q items listed above will help tons for that | [12:36] |
| Birdman: | have ~ 20 dcs ords waiting for fghj / wyrdmantis noobs | [12:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | mk but listen, last time i spent al lthe time to get grass out then you faded away or some shit | [12:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | you actually buying this ? | [12:37] |
| Birdman: | yes, and i swear i was waiting like 5-10 mins for you to accept the trade so i went back to the unlocked claims i had to mine them before they disappeared | [12:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk lemme get it out then | [12:38] |
| Birdman: | i wasnt trying to waste your time | [12:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman you can have 542 tpt q 123 at 125\%, and as much as you want at q 90, also 125\% | [12:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | which'll it be ? | [12:42] |
| Birdman: | ill take the 542 | [12:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | and whart else bn ? | [12:42] |
| Birdman: | yes and gradss | [12:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok, 777 bn q 351 at 130. | [12:43] |
| Birdman: | sounds good, doubt you have high q boulders right | [12:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok trade me | [12:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | so we have here (9999 * 2.06 + 9279 * 2.03 + 9930 * 2.05 + 1296 * 2.06) * 60 * 1.25 + 777 * 3.51 * 71 * 1.3 + 542 * 1.23 * 1.25 * 159 = 5068768.446 | [12:45] |
| Birdman: | not charging me over spot for the grass? | [12:46] |
| Birdman: | oh 1.25 never mind | [12:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | tries to keep rates reasonable. | [12:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [12:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty./ | [12:47] |
| Birdman: | np np | [12:47] |
| Birdman: | ty | [12:47] |
| Birdman: | got 10k+ 100 coins lol | [12:48] |
| Birdman: | nearly cleaned me out too, time to monetize some shit | [12:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess ima not ever skill again lol. | [12:48] |
| Birdman: | whatcha mean? | [12:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | well if you train a skill it makes your money even | [12:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, if you make that grass into thread i'll buy it. | [12:49] |
| Birdman: | cool cool | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | and idem if you use up that pile of sticks lol, i still wanna buy more everything. | [12:53] |
| Birdman: | you got it | [12:54] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron or DianaComan i need 1-2 dcs ords built if either of you want to do it. want the best q i can get for the next set of ord bundles | [13:00] |
| wyrdmantis: | Birdman i'm back | [13:10] |
| Birdman: | cool need work? | [13:10] |
| Birdman: | also whats your q output on building or building level? | [13:10] |
| wyrdmantis: | yes, give me a minute | [13:10] |
| Birdman: | cool, we'll do 4 ords to gauge your output and ill pay 10\% of net value, but i suspect you will make enough for me to pay you 20\% | [13:11] |
| Birdman: | i just dont want to commit to the higher pay before i see results first hand | [13:11] |
| wyrdmantis: | ok ready | [13:14] |
| Birdman: | cool cool one min for me to make a bundle | [13:15] |
| Birdman: | wyrdmantis follow me | [13:21] |
| Birdman: | ok when that finishes just throw it all back in to that same claim and ill have more for you | [13:25] |
| Birdman: | wyrdmantis ^ also whats your building level? | [13:25] |
| wyrdmantis: | ok | [13:25] |
| wyrdmantis: | my level in bulding is 2 | [13:26] |
| Birdman: | sweet | [13:26] |
| Birdman: | what q do you get | [13:26] |
| wyrdmantis: | 6 - 7 - 8 depends | [13:26] |
| Birdman: | hm it varies? | [13:26] |
| Birdman: | i feel like ive noticed that in certain cases too | [13:26] |
| wyrdmantis: | this game is still in large parts a mystery to me | [13:27] |
| wyrdmantis: | but anyway, it's funny | [13:28] |
| wyrdmantis: | fghj, he is in game? | [13:29] |
| fghj: | not yet some performance problems | [13:29] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu what do you pay per dcs again? | [13:30] |
| fghj: | intel gpu was bad idea lol | [13:30] |
| Birdman: | you put the shells from your inventory into the claim too wyrd? | [13:32] |
| wyrdmantis: | i'll do if you go a little farther | [13:32] |
| wyrdmantis: | ok | [13:32] |
| wyrdmantis: | look | [13:32] |
| Birdman: | cool trade me | [13:32] |
| Birdman: | those next two and ill be right back with the ingreds for more | [13:33] |
| wyrdmantis: | ok | [13:34] |
| Birdman: | and when those two are done just hold them in your inventory for now | [13:41] |
| Birdman: | till im done making these bundles and can put them in the right claim | [13:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | doesn't rememberr ;/ | [14:03] |
| Birdman: | just want to calc profit, ill call it 440 a piece as i think that was close | [14:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://archive.is/nzDkk << most recent archive. apparently nobody bothered saving the last page. | [14:05] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Eulora Shop on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at archive.is) | [14:05] |
| Birdman: | thats a pretty old page i assume | [14:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, obsolete, yeah. | [14:07] |
| Birdman: | Eulora fun fact: you can have a table, your own table, put some items in it w/e, leave then come back after someone else put their items on it who is also near enough to the table to guard its contents, and it will act as if there is split ownership inside the table. | [14:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie it lets you pick up your stuff but not theirs ? | [14:10] |
| fghj: | ok, I'm in and already burn my hands on some orb | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha. come uphill, there's like a town. | [14:11] |
| Birdman: | yes mircea_popescu | [14:11] |
| Birdman: | and you cant pick up the table | [14:15] |
| Birdman: | wyrdmantis ok i think i put the rest of the bundles in the right places, hectic with how un organized it is should have mined them better myself | [14:18] |
| Birdman: | one of those claims disappeared and it seems the table is missing a pile of shells, are they in your inventory or did the game eat the claim or something ? | [14:19] |
| Birdman: | also let me know if any of them say the claim has been used already (obviously) | [14:19] |
| Birdman: | hm, future reference let the noobs place bundles in claims, so that the game considers it guarded and might not eat the claim? | [14:21] |
| wyrdmantis: | i think it eated them | [14:22] |
| Birdman: | me too | [14:23] |
| Birdman: | oh well, i wont dock it from your pay since it was my disorganization that fucked it up | [14:23] |
| Birdman: | though the 60k loss will effect your pay | [14:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | fghj managed to find it ? | [14:24] |
| fghj: | Is town this thing with 3 houses campfire and a teleport to some hell with ghost? | [14:24] |
| Birdman: | heh no, that is the cemetary place | [14:24] |
| Birdman: | what we call town is the hill with the npcs right next to that burning orb | [14:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, it's roughly in the oposite direction. | [14:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | just a hill with some boxy guys on it | [14:24] |
| Birdman: | i gotcha follow me | [14:25] |
| danielpbarron: | fghj> Ok, this will take several minutes because some dude with nick starting with ascii and ending with lifeform gave me paranoia << LOL hahahahah <3 | [14:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | im kinda curious, what happened there ? | [14:34] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> anyway, if you make that grass into thread i'll buy it. << i have oodles of quality 107 and 108 thread.. | [14:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | selling ? | [14:35] |
| wyrdmantis: | ooooh wtf | [14:36] |
| wyrdmantis: | game crashed | [14:36] |
| danielpbarron: | wyrdmantis> 6 - 7 - 8 depends << he get's 8 quality from the build itself (the items that appear in the exploration marker) and he gets quality 7 on the loot (the items that show up directly in his inventory) | [14:36] |
| Birdman: | aye you want to buy these claims danielpbarron | [14:37] |
| Birdman: | oh crap he crashed | [14:37] |
| Birdman: | need to go to claims before they disappear! | [14:37] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, I have an offline copy of mircea_popescu's shop if it helps | [14:38] |
| DianaComan: | maybe I should mirror it already, lol | [14:38] |
| DianaComan: | need anything from there? | [14:38] |
| Birdman: | wyrdmantis says your still here on my screen | [14:38] |
| DianaComan: | and yes mircea_popescu it was 16k per cs use | [14:38] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> https://archive.is/nzDkk << most recent archive. apparently nobody bothered saving the last page. << mirrored here http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/mp.html (i had it loaded in my browser) | [14:38] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Eulora Shop on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at archive.is) | [14:38] |
| wyrdmantis: | Birdman yes i re log | [14:38] |
| Birdman: | ah cool, did you get the results from those 3 claims? | [14:38] |
| wyrdmantis: | 1 left, go further | [14:39] |
| danielpbarron: | yes i'm selling the thread | [14:39] |
| Birdman: | i unlocked the next two wyrdmantis | [14:40] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, you still buying my threads at 130\%? | [14:41] |
| wyrdmantis: | ok i see them | [14:41] |
| Birdman: | i still have ~ 14k at 141 | [14:41] |
| Birdman: | but in short, yes | [14:41] |
| Birdman: | i need to monetize, i have like 500k in copper and like 20 mil in all this crap | [14:42] |
| Birdman: | and buy these damn claims | [14:43] |
| Birdman: | though if you want to back out of the lotus claims im ok with it since i have high q ingreds and noob miner | [14:43] |
| Birdman: | though the wm ords are useless to me | [14:43] |
| DianaComan: | oh Birdman do you still want me to build those dcs claims? | [14:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | sweet ty danielpbarron | [14:43] |
| Birdman: | yes just need to finish this batch first | [14:44] |
| Birdman: | gotta keep all this under control, but ill have like 4 for you to do in a bit | [14:44] |
| danielpbarron: | i still want the lotus claims | [14:44] |
| danielpbarron: | and shrooms if you made them | [14:44] |
| Birdman: | i did | [14:44] |
| Birdman: | ill be in town after this cs | [14:45] |
| Birdman: | ah damnit accidently move | [14:45] |
| Birdman: | alright ill come to town now | [14:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | 7 people online at the same time. pretty good | [14:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | more than hwat planeshift gets, at any rate. | [14:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | <Birdman> i need to monetize, i have like 500k in copper and like 20 mil in all this crap << kinda curious when loans start lol | [14:47] |
| Birdman: | tyty | [15:01] |
| Birdman: | alright i unlocked the two right in front of you wyrdmantis | [15:04] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu i should have ~ 12k dcs for ya in an hour | [15:06] |
| Birdman: | i think this influx of noobs is just the right amount for my ord prices to skyrocket, but not devalue the noob mining market | [15:09] |
| Birdman: | will need to contemplate future prices | [15:09] |
| Birdman: | i know dans gonna make a killing on the lotus | [15:09] |
| Birdman: | and also wasted another cs | [15:10] |
| Birdman: | when would you want to build these DianaComan | [15:32] |
| DianaComan: | I can do it now Birdman | [15:33] |
| DianaComan: | wyrdmantis, do you want the rest of the craft package? | [15:34] |
| Birdman: | sweet ill come to town and give you the stuff fast | [15:34] |
| Birdman: | seeing as the bundles are heavy ill leave them in one of the claims locked | [15:34] |
| DianaComan: | ok | [15:34] |
| DianaComan: | I should actually get a bit higher q as levelled up but will see | [15:35] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, bundles... | [15:53] |
| Birdman: | doing them now | [15:53] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, what takes that long? | [15:53] |
| DianaComan: | and for that matter why the hell don't you do them on a table | [15:53] |
| DianaComan: | ? | [15:53] |
| Birdman: | trade me | [15:54] |
| Birdman: | i am | [15:54] |
| Birdman: | otherwise it crashes the game | [15:54] |
| Birdman: | DianaComan try the claim that said it was already used, if you can now build it then use those ingreds for another claim | [15:55] |
| Birdman: | if not trade them back | [15:55] |
| DianaComan: | ugh, keep them and you'll give me the bundle if yes | [15:55] |
| Birdman: | ok ok | [15:55] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah make your bundles on a craft table | [15:55] |
| danielpbarron: | otherwise you risk wearing whatever container else | [15:56] |
| danielpbarron: | and you risk accidentally starting the craft | [15:56] |
| Birdman: | yes i do that, remember i was crashing the game every 5 min when sups of stones took pss bundles and not enums? | [15:57] |
| Birdman: | heh i still have 9 small pss bundles that used to be shitty, now are decent q | [15:57] |
| Birdman: | did it end up being usable DianaComan? and if so i wanna use 7 of the dcs you made so far to make the last bundle | [15:59] |
| Birdman: | shouldnt be using these q6 ones | [15:59] |
| DianaComan: | I'm a bit confused as to whether I tried indeed the one which did not work - in any case the one I tried now is working; will check for sure when it's done | [16:00] |
| Birdman: | cool cool | [16:00] |
| Birdman: | still have the last enumeration too | [16:00] |
| DianaComan: | 22 (117) + 6 (116) ; this bundle was lower q iirc | [16:01] |
| Birdman: | what q you makin? | [16:01] |
| DianaComan: | see brackets above | [16:01] |
| Birdman: | it was | [16:01] |
| Birdman: | so 28 at like 117 | [16:01] |
| DianaComan: | weird - I'd say it worked indeed this time - it really is the one which did not work earlier | [16:02] |
| Birdman: | probably because you targeted it when i was guarding it | [16:03] |
| danielpbarron: | ffffuu | [16:03] |
| danielpbarron: | i need high quality beetles apparently | [16:03] |
| Birdman: | fell into some weird conditions that made it say it was used | [16:03] |
| DianaComan: | so 22(117) + 12(116) from the first one and then those 22+6 | [16:03] |
| Birdman: | 3rd times the charm in my exp | [16:03] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron lmk if you need some beetle ords | [16:03] |
| danielpbarron: | heh | [16:03] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [16:04] |
| danielpbarron: | that's not how to make high quality | [16:04] |
| Birdman: | what for ? | [16:04] |
| danielpbarron: | the lotus claims | [16:04] |
| Birdman: | well ive already asked if mp would build some ords for me, but he's swamped in crafting | [16:04] |
| danielpbarron: | that's the wrong way to do it | [16:04] |
| Birdman: | so foxy is the next best i think | [16:04] |
| Birdman: | how so? | [16:04] |
| danielpbarron: | to get high quality beetles, Mircea has to just go gather it himself | [16:04] |
| DianaComan: | he'd get them just as high from your claims danielpbarron , no? | [16:05] |
| Birdman: | the lumberjack skill is under gathering tab and not building? | [16:05] |
| danielpbarron: | preferably tinies | [16:05] |
| Birdman: | or utility i mean | [16:05] |
| Birdman: | thats what i thought DianaComan | [16:05] |
| danielpbarron: | he needs tinies, wherever they come from | [16:05] |
| DianaComan: | gathering, yes | [16:05] |
| Birdman: | i dont get better q from smalls than from ords | [16:06] |
| danielpbarron: | there is no use wasting an ordinary to get high quality | [16:06] |
| Birdman: | its all the yield numbers that change not the quuality | [16:06] |
| danielpbarron: | when you can get same quality from a tiny that would be a waste on a noob | [16:06] |
| danielpbarron: | yes that's my point | [16:06] |
| Birdman: | tinies can not produce higher q than your skill allows, and they can not produce more than one yield | [16:06] |
| danielpbarron: | although it might maybe make sense to undercraft an ordinary | [16:06] |
| danielpbarron: | i might do that | [16:07] |
| DianaComan: | interesting point of view; now to be fair if you want both loads and high q, the best way to go about it is indeed tiny + huge q bit of nothing, true | [16:07] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, that's wrong there | [16:07] |
| DianaComan: | they CAN and DO produce more than one yield | [16:07] |
| Birdman: | im pretty sure its true | [16:07] |
| DianaComan: | nop | [16:07] |
| Birdman: | wut tinies produce more than one item? | [16:07] |
| Birdman: | and this has happened? | [16:07] |
| DianaComan: | yes they do and it's documented all over the place, lol | [16:07] |
| danielpbarron: | it sometimes happens yes | [16:07] |
| danielpbarron: | i wouldn't rely on it | [16:08] |
| Birdman: | hahah whaat! | [16:08] |
| DianaComan: | check hanbot's blog for that matter | [16:08] |
| danielpbarron: | mostly annoying when it happens | [16:08] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron, why? | [16:08] |
| danielpbarron: | because it ruins the quality of whatever i already had in my inventory | [16:08] |
| danielpbarron: | bumps the whole stack down 1 point | [16:08] |
| Birdman: | still the q output is not effected | [16:08] |
| danielpbarron: | loot is usually 1 point lower than your usual quality | [16:08] |
| Birdman: | so it may be cheaper? using lbn to over craft a tiny, it might not be efficient | [16:08] |
| Birdman: | i can make a billion dollars collecting cans if you give me enough time sort of thing | [16:08] |
| DianaComan: | yes, that is true, but I guess I am happy with 150 wwb instead of 1 at that price | [16:09] |
| danielpbarron: | my point is that you don't give tinies to a poor builder | [16:09] |
| danielpbarron: | and you don't waste overcrafted ordinaries on a good builder | [16:09] |
| DianaComan: | 22+6 again Birdman | [16:09] |
| danielpbarron: | but i haven't tried undercdrafting one, mostly because they used to be so rare | [16:09] |
| Birdman: | it just gives you a smaller yield | [16:10] |
| danielpbarron: | but if Birdman can just whip 'em up whenever, maybe it's worth undercrafting one with a good builder | [16:10] |
| Birdman: | hm | [16:10] |
| Birdman: | maybe | [16:10] |
| danielpbarron: | my point is here that there is a minimum output, so undercraft + high rank builder cannot go under that min | [16:10] |
| Birdman: | but how cheap can the difference really be | [16:10] |
| Birdman: | right i get it | [16:10] |
| Birdman: | theres so much data to mine out of this god damn game | [16:11] |
| DianaComan: | so Birdman done | [16:11] |
| Birdman: | trade me 7 and ill make a bundle fast | [16:11] |
| DianaComan: | they are all in claims, lol | [16:11] |
| danielpbarron: | need at least 60 beetles to just break even with your 80k asking price for ord | [16:11] |
| danielpbarron: | not even including the bundle | [16:12] |
| danielpbarron: | that's based on the quality being 125 | [16:12] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't recall what Mircea gets on lumber now | [16:12] |
| Birdman: | take the keys back and do the last one | [16:12] |
| danielpbarron: | when he was getting 198, that number would be more like 40 | [16:12] |
| Birdman: | ill add 7 to the total after | [16:12] |
| DianaComan: | mk | [16:12] |
| danielpbarron: | DianaComan, how many beetles do you get from an ordinary? | [16:13] |
| DianaComan: | don't know danielpbarron haven't mined lj in ages | [16:13] |
| danielpbarron: | is 40 out of the question? | [16:13] |
| Birdman: | move back some so i can grab these | [16:13] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean what order of magnitude are we talking here | [16:13] |
| DianaComan: | I'd be surprised to get that many really seeing how I got 60 pss which are way cheaper | [16:13] |
| danielpbarron: | bleh | [16:13] |
| DianaComan: | but it depends on the q of the bundle I'd say | [16:13] |
| danielpbarron: | aiming for lowest possible quality of bundle | [16:14] |
| Birdman: | DianaComan move back so i can get you 7 dcs for the next ord from the claim, you're guarding it | [16:14] |
| DianaComan: | move away Birdman | [16:14] |
| danielpbarron: | well maybe you can help me test this idea with a grocery item | [16:14] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, I got them, lol | [16:14] |
| Birdman: | ya you can do it heh | [16:14] |
| danielpbarron: | to see if it's worth bothering Mircea over | [16:14] |
| Birdman: | forgot | [16:14] |
| danielpbarron: | or hum wiat | [16:15] |
| danielpbarron: | i can test with a basic harvestable | [16:15] |
| DianaComan: | don't come back .... | [16:15] |
| DianaComan: | 126q this bundle | [16:15] |
| danielpbarron: | it sounds like 80k per ord probably is too high then, if the aim is to undercraft it | [16:15] |
| Birdman: | are you using noob miner danielpbarron ? | [16:16] |
| DianaComan: | I would think it was too high really and on grocery keep in mind I get higher q so probably even fewer items | [16:16] |
| danielpbarron: | stabs Birdman | [16:16] |
| Birdman: | you people are high | [16:16] |
| Birdman: | use noob miners for ords! | [16:17] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean 80k is too high for me to buy for the purpose of undercrafting with a good builder | [16:17] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't know this for sure yet though | [16:17] |
| danielpbarron: | if the quality is high enough, and if there really is a minimum output, it might very well be worth it | [16:17] |
| DianaComan: | not sure about "minimum" output really | [16:18] |
| Birdman: | try a q1 bundle and see what it gives ya | [16:18] |
| Birdman: | well, q10 or the lowest it can be at lvl 1 building | [16:18] |
| danielpbarron: | on a related note, every single one of the flotsam ordinaries i had wyrd build resulted in 16 8q in the cointainer, and a big pile of 7q in his inventory | [16:18] |
| danielpbarron: | 16 every time | [16:18] |
| Birdman: | not every time | [16:19] |
| Birdman: | or did you do small number of ords | [16:19] |
| danielpbarron: | in this case it was | [16:19] |
| DianaComan: | hm, this happened above on those claims: the diff was in the inv every time | [16:19] |
| danielpbarron: | that was 10 odinaries i think | [16:19] |
| Birdman: | thats same for me, when its the 16 its the avg it will come out to, but sometimes it goes higher and lower | [16:19] |
| Birdman: | but what is in the claim varies | [16:20] |
| Birdman: | just might not notice it over small amounts | [16:20] |
| DianaComan: | and on a side note: the 4 ord builds have barely barely moved the building level, lol | [16:20] |
| DianaComan: | 21+26 | [16:20] |
| danielpbarron: | well i couldn't help but notice that each claim he built would have a pile of 16 and a pile of whatever thousand | [16:20] |
| danielpbarron: | or hundred or whatever | [16:20] |
| danielpbarron: | but if the minium is only 16 then it's really not worth doing | [16:20] |
| DianaComan: | so that's 21+22+22+22 (117) + 12+6+6+26 (116) | [16:21] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, ^ | [16:21] |
| danielpbarron: | i like how the craft table method of moving stacks back to storage keeps all the different qualities separate | [16:21] |
| Birdman: | wyrdmantis you get 1224.6 * 525 | [16:21] |
| Birdman: | and DianaComan is that including the 7 you used?> | [16:21] |
| DianaComan: | yes | [16:22] |
| DianaComan: | I left all in the claims | [16:22] |
| Birdman: | thanks be there in a se | [16:22] |
| Birdman: | sec | [16:22] |
| Birdman: | what q? | [16:22] |
| DianaComan: | or do you prefer I take my 10\% now? | [16:22] |
| Birdman: | do you want the copper value or actual dcs? | [16:23] |
| DianaComan: | actual dcs | [16:23] |
| DianaComan: | that's what we said, lol | [16:23] |
| Birdman: | oh then we arent adjusting for q lol just take 14 of em | [16:23] |
| danielpbarron: | (20000+15000*0.25)/(1088*1.5) = 14.55 | [16:23] |
| Birdman: | ill eat the .3 dcs | [16:23] |
| DianaComan: | lol, now you are there so can't - hand them over | [16:24] |
| Birdman: | whats that danielpbarron | [16:24] |
| danielpbarron: | how many beetles you'd need to get from an ordinary to break even, provided that it cost you 20k to make the ordinary, and provided that you can make a bundle quality 0.25 (and have not paid extra for it), and that your output quality is 150 | [16:25] |
| DianaComan: | kk, took them, thanks | [16:25] |
| Birdman: | DianaComan just take them all and trade me to give them | [16:25] |
| danielpbarron: | really rought numbers, i'm not sure what an ordinary beetle bundle is worth | [16:25] |
| Birdman: | 123 dcs | [16:26] |
| Birdman: | not bad | [16:26] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, I took the 14 now as prev said, going home | [16:26] |
| danielpbarron: | but it seems like if you get just the right stuff, it should be profitable to under craft an ordinary | [16:26] |
| Birdman: | what 540 bv? 123*1.16*540 77k | [16:26] |
| danielpbarron: | not an easy window to hit | [16:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | omfg i can't keep up with this chan | [16:27] |
| Birdman: | aye why's there only 88 of them here | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron can you get 0.25 qual ? ie, <1 ? | [16:28] |
| danielpbarron: | oh heh, you know what i mean | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | a kk :p | [16:28] |
| Birdman: | DianaComan | [16:29] |
| DianaComan: | Birdman, ? | [16:29] |
| Birdman: | should be 123 here but only 88 and one claim was empty | [16:29] |
| DianaComan: | lol, looked in the right one? | [16:29] |
| Birdman: | i looked in them all lol none to be found but ill double check | [16:29] |
| DianaComan: | let me check too though I can't see what could be, lol | [16:30] |
| Birdman: | <DianaComan>so that's 21+22+22+22 (117) + 12+6+6+26 (116) << 137 - 14 right? | [16:31] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, -7 too | [16:31] |
| DianaComan: | those used for your bundle | [16:31] |
| Birdman: | oh i thought you already accounted for that | [16:31] |
| DianaComan: | how, look back | [16:31] |
| Birdman: | but still short then | [16:31] |
| DianaComan: | I reported at each claim and made the total there | [16:31] |
| Birdman: | by 28 which seems to be an entire claim? | [16:31] |
| Birdman: | and one was empty | [16:32] |
| DianaComan: | but how?? | [16:32] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, I don't get this | [16:32] |
| DianaComan: | I stored 14 shells, it's in the logs | [16:32] |
| Birdman: | ugh whatever who knows | [16:33] |
| DianaComan: | I don't have any other shells on me - I don't think I could even carry | [16:33] |
| DianaComan: | which claim was empty for that matter? | [16:33] |
| Birdman: | 88 * 1.16* 545 | [16:33] |
| Birdman: | the first one, the one you said didnt work at first | [16:33] |
| DianaComan: | uhm Birdman isn't one missing? | [16:33] |
| DianaComan: | I think one of the claims is gone in fact? | [16:33] |
| Birdman: | that was my first thought | [16:33] |
| Birdman: | well god damn it | [16:33] |
| DianaComan: | those I built, there were 4 in a row | [16:33] |
| DianaComan: | didn't you lock them on the spot?? | [16:33] |
| Birdman: | this is why you shouldnt leave any unguarded | [16:34] |
| Birdman: | i unlocked for you to take your pay | [16:34] |
| Birdman: | wanted you to take them all so this specific thing wouldnt happen then just trade me mine | [16:34] |
| DianaComan: | ... take my pay is not take all, is it? | [16:34] |
| Birdman: | seems that with my gathering ords there are so many, the game is deleting them very near after being built | [16:34] |
| DianaComan: | I had one deleted before I could even get the things out of it | [16:35] |
| DianaComan: | built on the spot etc | [16:35] |
| Birdman: | well i asked you to, juggling screens and all that | [16:35] |
| DianaComan: | so not sure about the reason there | [16:35] |
| Birdman: | im not like blaming you | [16:35] |
| Birdman: | no sense in crying over spilt crab shells | [16:35] |
| DianaComan: | well, it sucks for sure | [16:35] |
| Birdman: | but yeah ftr everyone, the game wants your ords, be tentative when building. | [16:35] |
| Birdman: | so i got 55k out of that | [16:36] |
| Birdman: | for something that cost me 120k | [16:36] |
| DianaComan: | I think the main trouble now is the fact that high q builders basically don't have enough overcraft possible | [16:37] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [16:37] |
| Birdman: | though thats not the point of this | [16:38] |
| Birdman: | it shows a net loss here | [16:38] |
| DianaComan: | maybe they can make it positive in the long run with some big hit, but not on a more day to day basis thing | [16:38] |
| DianaComan: | well, each one with what they care for, lol | [16:38] |
| Birdman: | but the difference in output next time i get wyrdmantis to build a dcs or will probably make way more profit | [16:38] |
| Birdman: | so its like deficit spending | [16:38] |
| Birdman: | pay now to profit more later | [16:38] |
| Birdman: | even with that ord disappearing ill probably come out way in the black | [16:39] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron you build those lotus harlot claims? | [16:41] |
| Birdman: | oh those claims were actually 180k to build so i cut my money in third | [16:43] |
| Birdman: | 19 lotus ords and another 20-30 dcs soon | [16:55] |
| Birdman: | all for the wyrdo to build and make me some dough | [16:56] |
| wyrdmantis: | wyrdo lol | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | unless someone gets me high q beetles i don't want any more lotus claims | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | shrooms should still be ok thoug | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | and spicy moss | [17:21] |
| Birdman: | what do those take? | [17:21] |
| Birdman: | the shrooms | [17:21] |
| danielpbarron: | what does it matte to you | [17:21] |
| danielpbarron: | actually don't go crazy on the shrooms either | [17:21] |
| danielpbarron: | i can get snakeskins but not so easily | [17:21] |
| Birdman: | 4 ss is pretty expensive for a wm ord | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | it's also a found item | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm not restricted to strictly altar | [17:22] |
| Birdman: | it is known the location? | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | not to me | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | but i wouldn't go for them regardless | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | it's a mining thing | [17:23] |
| Birdman: | i want to be the miner | [17:23] |
| Birdman: | soon as the skill item is found | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i have a feeling if i let you or someone else use my glowing pin, all of a sudden the glitch preventing unskilled sacrifice will get fixed | [17:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | how you mean ? | [17:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's gonna be fixed within five minutes of chetty actually being able to fix it. | [17:27] |
| Birdman: | he speaks of treacery! | [17:27] |
| Birdman: | collusion and malice! | [17:29] |
| wyrdmantis: | someone have to made me do some crafting? | [17:30] |
| Birdman: | tomorrow wyrdmantis i gotta get the claims and bundles ready | [17:32] |
| DianaComan: | wyrdmantis, are you around? | [17:33] |
| wyrdmantis: | yes | [17:33] |
| DianaComan: | ok, 3 minutes to get stuff out | [17:33] |
| danielpbarron: | i have stuff for you to craft as well | [17:56] |
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