| ag3nt_zer0: | danielpbarron do the items stored in the craft table appear during an exchange? im there now just pinged you for a trade but my wifi is unpredictable right now | [00:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes they do. | [00:40] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | thx | [00:40] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | is a typical lifespan around 13 months still? | [00:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? | [00:42] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | http://trilema.com/2013/eulora-game-mechanics-etc/#footnote_4_49156 | [00:44] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | i recall reading elsewhere something about death rules being currently suspended but this seems a more thorough guide | [00:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, not implementged yet. nobody died so far. | [00:47] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | does that huge planet in the sky have a name lol? | [00:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | not yet | [00:47] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | and might i ask what is the shimmering blue sphere down by the shipwreck? | [00:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno! | [00:49] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | yeah it was still there last time i cheched | [00:50] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | i appeared next to it in the game the first time | [00:50] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | danielpbarron you around? | [15:01] |
| hanbot: | diana_coman that line was indeed missing; inserted it and bundling works perfectly. tyvm! :D | [15:23] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, yay! thanks for feedback and all the patience in going through it; I'll update the post | [15:26] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | I have been hunting for flotsam over at Lady Voynas lean-to... am I able to find any at my current level cuz just pulling tiny boulders and no flotsam | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dun think it's level related so much... | [16:11] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | mircea_popescu ty | [16:25] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | I am trying to figure out how to make bundles here... so i birds nest enumeration says cobine 1 little bit of nothing into birds nest bundle... so, I went to birds nest claim, put a little bit of nothing in there, combine - but out comes a few nests and not a bundle... what am i doing wrong? | [16:27] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | *so the birds nest enumeration | [16:28] |
| danielpbarron: | if you combine in the correct container, it'll automatically process the bundle | [16:45] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | hey danielpbarron, can you define container? is this what the tiny birds nest exploration marker serves as? | [16:47] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | and are you available to trade currently? | [16:48] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [16:48] |
| danielpbarron: | a container is anything that has spots like in your inventory, and that lets you click combine | [16:48] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | hmmm so inside the exploration markers, there are 16 containers that I see - so you are saying I have to find the correct 1 of those 16? | [16:50] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [16:50] |
| danielpbarron: | the exploration marker is a container with 16 slots | [16:50] |
| danielpbarron: | you can put things in any of those slots | [16:51] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | hey i see you there ingame, but dont know how to access my craft table storage... | [16:52] |
| danielpbarron: | make sure the table is in reach, offer the trade, then when the trade window is open, take all from the craft table into your inventory, then put them into the trade window | [16:53] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | well regarding making a nest bundle, wouldnt the correct container to place little bit of nothing in be the tiny birds nest exploration marker container? cuz thats what i did and got back nests, not bundles | [16:53] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | k sec | [16:53] |
| danielpbarron: | yes, if you looked closely, it was a bundle for a second | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | if you put the bit in your craft table and did the same, it would have stayed a bundle | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | but i think it makes more sense for high skilled builders to make your bundles for you | [16:54] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | so whether I do it at the claim site itself via little bit directly into claim and combine, or make bundle at table and then trek to claim and combine that, yield is the same? | [17:03] |
| diana_coman: | ag3nt_zer0, for flotsam I'd suggest you try closer to the water really, on the slope | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | re bundles: you can make bundles in *any* container whatsoever | [17:14] |
| diana_coman: | as long as you have the right bp in mind and the right ingredients in the container you'll end up with a bundle | [17:14] |
| diana_coman: | if you *want* the bundle rather than the end product, then you *should* use a *different* container than the one in the bp | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | because otherwise the craft/build goes through and you end up with the final thing rather than the bundle | [17:15] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | diana_coman ok thx, and either way yields the same amount of end product yeah? i only ask because when combining for sticks a boulders with bundles, usually 4-5 slots would be filled with the yield, however when I used little bit in birds next container it only yielded some amount in (1) slot as opposed to several... | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | what do you mean "either way yields the same amount of end product yeah?"? | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | ag3nt_zer0, items in eulora have quality | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | which is quite important, look it up | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | number of items is only part (small part) of the story | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | think in terms of value (based on base value, quality and number), not just number by itself | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | 1000 litres of piss still not exactly matching 1 millilitre of fine wine, that sort of thing | [17:26] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | ok, i just mean that the yields seemed rather larger when using bundles as opposed to fast tracking the combination by skipping the bundling step and just using little bit... its alright I dont know quite how to word it yet :) | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | ag3nt_zer0, trouble is that you might be comparing apples with pears there, lol | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | hence: look at the value you put in and the type of claim it is | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | there are different types of claims: tiny, small, ordinary... | [17:36] |
| diana_coman: | feel free to investigate if ingredients directly vs bundle make a difference, but make sure you are investigating same thing | [17:37] |
| diana_coman: | meaning bundle of same ingredients aka same total final value in there | [17:37] |
| diana_coman: | not "1 bit of nothing quality 11" vs "bundle from 7 coarse frangible threads quality 200 each" | [17:38] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | diana_coman ok thx again - let me know if I can provide any noob assistance to you... | [17:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | or 68 threads as the case may be | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, eh, lately my ingredients seem to keep going down actually ; even the lapidary dropped from 11 waters to 10, ugh | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | tsk | [17:42] |
| diana_coman: | seems to go up and down in sort of cycles or something, might need to chart this and catch the time for bundling | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey that's an idea | [17:42] |
| diana_coman: | ag3nt_zer0, what quality of items do you get? | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | and what do you put in, ofc? | [17:43] |
| danielpbarron: | that's because the bundles were probably the high quality ones i made for you | [17:47] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | well, given what you said above I need to perform some experiments before I can even answer that... even the one instance of the birds nests that i was referring to seems to have disappeared when I tried to drop in my inventory... | [17:49] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | danielpbarron that makes sense | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | ag3nt_zer0, things get stacked together in inventory IF they are same type + same quality | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | so: did something actually vanish or did it just get stacked with what was there already? | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | ag3nt_zer0 keep track of quality and quantity and item type and you'll see | [17:57] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | diana_coman the nests seem to have disappeared as I have zero nests in inventory... but I'm pretty lost here so let me try another and make sure that this is happening | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | ag3nt_zer0, you might have them in a table/container in inventory | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | as a tip: you can easily check what you have in inventory (except what is equipped) if you go to storage (either Heina or Spirover - the NPCs) | [18:07] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | "the birds that assembled this weren't quite all together" - is that a clue? | [18:18] |
| diana_coman: | ahahah;that's the description | [18:19] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | ok well I combined a little bit into tiny birds nest claim and got 19 nests quality 1... and this time drag and drop worked fine so not sure about earlier | [18:20] |
| diana_coman: | most items in eulora have a description; usually funny too, but other than that it's not (yet?) very clear what it is for | [18:21] |
| diana_coman: | what quality was the bit? | [18:21] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | 11 | [18:21] |
| diana_coman: | k, so 1 data point: 1 lbn q11 + tiny claim -> 19 bn q1 | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | write it down and then do a few more and write them down too and see what you got | [18:23] |
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