| Birdman: | diana_coman will you have any threads for sale? | [00:22] |
| Birdman: | my enumeration quality dropped a point | [02:09] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, no new threads, no; | [02:29] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, that sounds great; regarding exporter - it all depends on the version of blender, as there are several scripts and the like; in my experience most of them also tend to have very specific requirements re bones and the like (at least one script got in an infinite loop because of how it was searching for the bones....); | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | this remark I started 9 hours ago is still only half-way done ... | [02:33] |
| Birdman: | thats strange | [02:41] |
| Birdman: | maybe its a really awesome one | [02:41] |
| danielpbarron: | !(defun apprentice (dt ist bod numina_quality numina_quantity) (floor (/ (+ (floor (* 1 88462 dt 0.01)) (floor (* 1 100 ist 0.01)) (floor (* 2 29170 bod 0.01)) (floor (* numina_quantity 1000 numina_quality 0.01))) 0.01 (+ (* 1 88462) (* 1 100) (* 2 29170) (* 1 1000))))) | [09:46] |
| candi_lustt: | apprentice | [09:46] |
| danielpbarron: | !(apprentice 100 100 100 100 1) | [09:46] |
| candi_lustt: | 99 | [09:46] |
| danielpbarron: | !(apprentice 100 100 100 100 2) | [09:47] |
| candi_lustt: | 100 | [09:47] |
| danielpbarron: | !(+ (* 1 88462) (* 1 100) (* 2 29170) (* 1 1000))))) | [09:50] |
| candi_lustt: | 147902 | [09:50] |
| danielpbarron: | !(apprentice 200 200 200 200 1) | [09:51] |
| candi_lustt: | 199 | [09:51] |
| danielpbarron: | !(/ (+ (* 2 88462) (* 2 100) (* 4 29170) (* 2 1000)) (+ 88462 100 29170 29170 1000)) | [09:52] |
| candi_lustt: | 2 | [09:52] |
| danielpbarron: | !(defun apprentice (dt ist bod numina_quality numina_quantity) (floor (/ (+ (* 1 88462 dt) (* 1 100 ist) (* 2 29170 bod) (* numina_quantity 1000 numina_quality)) (+ (* 1 88462) (* 1 100) (* 2 29170) (* 1 1000))))) | [09:53] |
| candi_lustt: | apprentice | [09:53] |
| danielpbarron: | !(apprentice 100 100 100 100 1) | [09:54] |
| candi_lustt: | 100 | [09:54] |
| danielpbarron: | !(apprentice 200 200 200 200 1) | [09:54] |
| candi_lustt: | 200 | [09:54] |
| danielpbarron: | !(apprentice 276 329 85 143 999) | [09:56] |
| candi_lustt: | 1164 | [09:56] |
| danielpbarron: | .. for real? | [09:57] |
| danielpbarron: | i thought my ink was no good | [09:57] |
| danielpbarron: | can someone confirm that i'd get a 1000+ quality bundle here?? | [09:57] |
| danielpbarron: | is that normal for considerations? | [09:57] |
| danielpbarron: | i have even better shards too | [09:58] |
| danielpbarron: | let's see | [09:58] |
| danielpbarron: | !(apprentice 276 329 85 235 999) | [09:58] |
| candi_lustt: | 1786 | [09:58] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean 1164 is already so high i might wanna save these better shards for some better ink and try to break 3k | [09:58] |
| danielpbarron: | !(apprentice 245 329 85 143 999) | [09:59] |
| candi_lustt: | 1146 | [09:59] |
| danielpbarron: | !(defun temp (x) (apprentice 276 329 85 143 x)) | [10:02] |
| candi_lustt: | temp | [10:02] |
| danielpbarron: | !(loopfun 900 999 #'temp) | [10:03] |
| candi_lustt: | (1069 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 | [10:03] |
| danielpbarron: | wow, so it's just 1 bundle point extra per 2nd tier numina added | [10:03] |
| danielpbarron: | bad. ass. | [10:03] |
| danielpbarron: | !(defun temp (x) (apprentice 276 329 85 235 x)) | [10:06] |
| candi_lustt: | temp | [10:06] |
| danielpbarron: | !(loopfun 900 999 #'temp) | [10:06] |
| candi_lustt: | (1628 1630 1632 1633 1635 1636 1638 1639 1641 1643 1644 1646 1647 1649 1651 1652 1654 1655 1657 1659 1660 1662 1663 1665 1666 1668 1670 1671 1673 1674 1676 1678 1679 1681 1682 1684 1686 1687 1689 1690 1692 1693 1695 1697 1698 1700 1701 1703 1705 1706 1708 1709 1711 1713 1714 1716 1717 1719 1720 1722 1724 1725 1727 1728 1730 1732 1733 1735 1736 1738 1740 1741 1743 1744 1746 1747 1749 1751 1752 1754 1755 1757 1759 1760 1762 1763 1765 1767 1768 1770 1771 | [10:06] |
| danielpbarron: | !(defun temp (x) (apprentice 100 100 100 100 x)) | [10:06] |
| candi_lustt: | temp | [10:06] |
| danielpbarron: | !(loopfun 900 999 #'temp) | [10:06] |
| candi_lustt: | (707 708 709 709 710 711 711 712 713 713 714 715 715 716 717 717 718 719 720 720 721 722 722 723 724 724 725 726 726 727 728 728 729 730 730 731 732 732 733 734 734 735 736 736 737 738 738 739 740 740 741 742 742 743 744 745 745 746 747 747 748 749 749 750 751 751 752 753 753 754 755 755 756 757 757 758 759 759 760 761 761 762 763 763 764 765 765 766 767 768 768 769 770 770 771 772 772 773 774 774) | [10:06] |
| danielpbarron: | !(defun temp (x) (apprentice 276 329 85 146 x)) | [10:09] |
| candi_lustt: | temp | [10:09] |
| danielpbarron: | !(loopfun 900 999 #'temp) | [10:09] |
| candi_lustt: | (1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167 1168 1169 1170 1171 1172 1173 1174 1175 1176 | [10:09] |
| danielpbarron: | !(defun neophyte (dt ist bod numina_quality numina_quantity) (floor (/ (+ (* 1 88462 dt) (* 1 100 ist) (* 1 29170 bod) (* numina_quantity 10 numina_quality)) (+ (* 1 88462) (* 1 100) (* 1 29170) (* 1 10))))) | [10:13] |
| candi_lustt: | neophyte | [10:13] |
| danielpbarron: | !(neophyte 276 329 85 90 9999) | [10:13] |
| candi_lustt: | 305 | [10:13] |
| danielpbarron: | !(neophyte 276 329 150 90 9999) | [10:14] |
| candi_lustt: | 321 | [10:14] |
| danielpbarron: | ink really doesn't factor in that much | [10:14] |
| danielpbarron: | idk how much extra it would cost to get 150 quality ink over my 85 quality | [10:14] |
| danielpbarron: | !(neophyte 276 329 85 234 9999) | [10:15] |
| candi_lustt: | 427 | [10:15] |
| danielpbarron: | !(neophyte 276 329 85 221 9999) | [10:18] |
| candi_lustt: | 416 | [10:18] |
| danielpbarron: | !(toil 283 90 999) | [10:26] |
| candi_lustt: | 207 | [10:26] |
| danielpbarron: | !(toil 283 89 999) | [10:27] |
| candi_lustt: | 207 | [10:27] |
| danielpbarron: | !(toil 283 88 999) | [10:27] |
| candi_lustt: | 206 | [10:27] |
| danielpbarron: | !(defun temp (x) (toil 283 x 999)) | [10:28] |
| candi_lustt: | temp | [10:28] |
| danielpbarron: | !(loopfun 80 90 #'temp) | [10:28] |
| candi_lustt: | (203 203 204 204 205 205 206 206 206 207 207) | [10:28] |
| danielpbarron: | !(/ 100000 (/ (* 59 1000) 2)) | [12:53] |
| candi_lustt: | 200/59 | [12:53] |
| danielpbarron: | !(/ 100000 (/ (* (/ 875 21) 59) 2)) | [12:55] |
| candi_lustt: | 4800/59 | [12:55] |
| danielpbarron: | !(/ 100000 (/ (* (/ (* 875 10) 21) 59) 2)) | [12:55] |
| candi_lustt: | 480/59 | [12:55] |
| danielpbarron: | !(/ 1000 (/ (* 875 10) 21)) | [12:56] |
| candi_lustt: | 12/5 | [12:56] |
| danielpbarron: | !(defun percent (fraction) (floor (* fraction 100))) | [12:58] |
| candi_lustt: | percent | [12:58] |
| danielpbarron: | !(percent (/ 200 59)) | [12:58] |
| candi_lustt: | 338 | [12:58] |
| danielpbarron: | !(percent (/ 480 59)) | [12:58] |
| candi_lustt: | 813 | [12:58] |
| danielpbarron: | !(percent (/ 12 5)) | [12:58] |
| candi_lustt: | 240 | [12:58] |
| danielpbarron: | !(percent 875 21) | [13:01] |
| candi_lustt: | invalid number of arguments: 2 | [13:01] |
| danielpbarron: | !(defun percent (n d) (floor (* (/ n d) 100))) | [13:01] |
| candi_lustt: | percent | [13:01] |
| danielpbarron: | !(percent 875 21) | [13:01] |
| candi_lustt: | 4166 | [13:01] |
| danielpbarron: | !(percent 59 2) | [13:03] |
| candi_lustt: | 2950 | [13:03] |
| danielpbarron: | !(* 999 (/ 875 21)) | [13:06] |
| candi_lustt: | 41625 | [13:06] |
| danielpbarron: | !(percent (/ 999 21) (/ 875 21)) | [13:08] |
| candi_lustt: | 114 | [13:08] |
| danielpbarron: | !(percent (/ 99 2) (/ 59 2)) | [13:08] |
| candi_lustt: | 167 | [13:08] |
| danielpbarron: | !(percent (+ 88462 100 (* 2 29170) (* 999 1000)) (+ 88462 100 (* 2 29170) 1000)) | [13:11] |
| candi_lustt: | 774 | [13:11] |
| danielpbarron: | !(percent (+ 88462 100 (* 1 29170) (* 9999 10)) (+ 88462 100 (* 1 29170) 10)) | [13:11] |
| candi_lustt: | 184 | [13:11] |
| danielpbarron: | 3rd tier considerations are gonna have some insane "built-in" overcraft | [13:12] |
| danielpbarron: | over 1k\% | [13:12] |
| danielpbarron: | congrats diana_coman | [13:14] |
| danielpbarron: | >Foxy has got 15.000m ECu worth of Three-Pointed Thorn and assorted loot while building. Congratulations! | [13:15] |
| diana_coman: | yay, that remark that took ~21 hours to build finally finished | [13:15] |
| danielpbarron: | 15.53 mn | [13:15] |
| diana_coman: | lots and lots of very pointed thorns, lol | [13:15] |
| danielpbarron: | few-pointed thorns | [13:16] |
| diana_coman: | still just 8 in the overall top | [13:16] |
| danielpbarron: | #1 in the month | [13:16] |
| diana_coman: | ahahha, few-pointed thorns works | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wow well done eh | [13:55] |
| Birdman: | that raises some questions | [14:51] |
| Birdman: | the longer the claim takes to build the better it is maybe? | [14:51] |
| danielpbarron: | i've noticed that crafting takes longer if the bundle is higher quality | [14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | does it ? | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess this kinda makes sense on a level. | [14:58] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman \ mircea_popescu are you selling any cft bps? | [15:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-01-31.log.html#t20:15:40 << that's all from me for at least a few months. | [15:29] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-01-31 20:15:40: <mircea_popescu> AUCTION 18303 CFT bps, q 112. 4mn heard diana_coman and won. pick up at leisure. | [15:29] |
| Birdman: | yeah, figured to ask anyways | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're reasonably hard to make | [15:32] |
| Birdman: | they dont last very long either | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [15:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | depends how one mines, but a coupla stacks of cft should be good for at least 50k hits. | [15:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | a week or so non stop | [15:36] |
| Birdman: | i just use one barehanding, two with these imp tools, and seven on any cs small | [15:37] |
| Birdman: | im sure i should be using more with the tools but supply doesnt allow right now | [15:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | im kinda wondering if it shouldn't be the other way around\ | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | doing some bh with 7 now to see | [15:50] |
| Birdman: | while bh without bits i used to craft my own threads, use one thread per barehanded small, and be able to profit in threads every cycle, with all the other resources as a bonus | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's pretty cool | [15:53] |
| Birdman: | so i always assumed one thread was the right amount. makes logical sense, the claims are worth less so why max out threads | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, perhaps to get higher q hence higher value? | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | I suspect it's not such a clear-cut answer really | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | it prolly depends on your enums too at the very least; as well as on the value of the resources | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | (i.e. I'd rather use 7 threads on a st small bh or not) | [15:58] |
| Birdman: | well yeah | [15:59] |
| danielpbarron: | if markup of thing-to-be-built is higher than that of threads, use 7 | [15:59] |
| Birdman: | but if you had to choose a cs small st or a bh small st to use 7 threads in, which would it be | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | that question doesn't make sense to me as such | [16:00] |
| Birdman: | im asking which you think is better | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | I actually used 1 thread - when using low q thread, so like q5 | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | and I'm telling you that I don't think there is one "better" generically to that question as you asked it, unqualified | [16:01] |
| Birdman: | well, im thinking the better one is the one that has the most potential value | [16:02] |
| Birdman: | im pretty sure the game gives claims some sort of value in ecu too | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | well, the pops on claims quite indicate that, yes | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | but I got 1 st out of cs ord; and a pop out of imp ord | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | so ? | [16:03] |
| Birdman: | right, 999/1000 barehand smalls will be worse or whatever, one might give you better results than a tool made small | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | I simply treat it as overbuild or underbuild, similar to overcraft or undercraft basically | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | something to be decided upon, depending on what you are after | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | so which is the overbuild ? if bundle q > enum q ? | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | no, if input>output without loot | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | that's why if I use 1 cft I'd rather use q1 basically | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | easy enough with crafting, if you end up with numina it's oc. | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | but with mining ? | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah so you're saying, if i have say q 50 and q 200 threads, then use the q 200 in 7s and the q50s in 1s ? | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | well, I can't say for sure, but basically first item in container is output from my point of view | [16:07] |
| Birdman: | agreed | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | yes; undercrafting with q200 doesn't quite make sense; also: output can be considered as minimum 1 item of that | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | so if it is a bubble claim, output is a minimum 1 bubble at whatever q I get | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | "overcrafting" can ONLY happen if my bundle is above that qabv | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose technically cft craft makes 1 cft and so i guess cdg claim makes 1 cdg | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | otherwise it's a tradeoff between losing q points and how much undercrafting one makes basically | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | precisely, yes | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | and I am aware it is probably a simplified model | [16:09] |
| diana_coman: | (I kind of ignore enum value as input because they are usually very low as value; at ord they barely count and below that they are like 1 copper) | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | my ord enums are like 1-2k according to bank | [16:10] |
| diana_coman: | bundle being about 35k at bv | [16:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | but as I said: from ord they start having some sort of value >10 coppers pretty much | [16:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | highest i got is 2116 actually | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | not bad | [16:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is odd, it's not really the most recent i got. | [16:11] |
| danielpbarron: | not odd, qualities used to be much higher | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | oh, foxy used to get waay higher q enums long time ago | [16:11] |
| Birdman: | i should test that out sometime, i have a ton of enumerations at double mine pretty much, can see the actual effect if any on tiny and small claims | [16:15] |
| Birdman: | double my quality* | [16:15] |
| diana_coman: | did anyone loot any bandar toolkit bps? | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | not recently | [16:28] |
| Birdman: | humunculous eh? | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | ahaha, my bundle's 265 and my output is 264 | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, eh? | [16:57] |
| Birdman: | i found one of your claims | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | a, lol | [16:58] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu did you ever look for those ppb bps ? | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | !(toil 284 86 999) | [18:53] |
| candi_lustt: | 206 | [18:53] |
| danielpbarron: | !(toil 284 85 999) | [18:53] |
| candi_lustt: | 206 | [18:53] |
| danielpbarron: | !(toil 284 84 999) | [18:53] |
| candi_lustt: | 205 | [18:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman meh, i might auction some at some point. | [19:03] |
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